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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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Secluse
Jaguar Jamboree
#161 - 2012-07-09 00:24:16 UTC
Came with popcorn. Was disappoint.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#162 - 2012-07-09 00:29:53 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


I do believe they tried that.... and got hammered down when the wardec costs were (totally unasked for by the corp in question) changed.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Unit757
North Point
#163 - 2012-07-09 00:32:44 UTC
If one Alliance/Coalition having all the tech moons is such an "issue", then take it from them?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2012-07-09 00:33:53 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
If one Alliance/Coalition having all the tech moons is such an "issue", then take it from them?


"But you can't fight extremely rich alliances despite the numerous examples of rich, powerful alliances being taken down by coalitions of less powerful ones!"

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Unit757
North Point
#165 - 2012-07-09 00:35:31 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
If one Alliance/Coalition having all the tech moons is such an "issue", then take it from them?


"But you can't fight extremely rich alliances despite the numerous examples of rich, powerful alliances being taken down by coalitions of less powerful ones!"


Don't see how that's the CFC's fault then. So much hate for no reason What?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#166 - 2012-07-09 01:01:41 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Ping Pang Pong wrote:

And how is this any different than what DoucheSwarm and their pets are doing to SoCo right now? All I have seen from Goons and their pets is bitching and moaning that they can't get SoCo to undock and fight. Why would they undock when as soon as they do you cyno in a fleet that is 5-6x the size of theirs?


As I have stated in other threads the Goons and their pets are utterly pathetic at PvP, and will run at the first sign of a fair fight. By fair fight I mean an incoming fleet that is half their size or more. You have been taking massive losses whenever you do actually decide to engage in a fight, and that only happens when SoCo chases a fleet halfway around the universe.

The most fighting I see out of Goons and their pets is forum warrioring. Is it some kind of rule that whenever the goons are mentioned in a thread that you all dog pile your asshattery into them?


You can post on your Soco main. Getting kicked out of your alliance for showing your real face is probably the best thing that could happen to you right now.

An anonymous forum alt talking about bravery is pretty hilarious.



What makes you think we need forum alts?
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-07-09 01:04:40 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Ping Pang Pong wrote:

And how is this any different than what DoucheSwarm and their pets are doing to SoCo right now? All I have seen from Goons and their pets is bitching and moaning that they can't get SoCo to undock and fight. Why would they undock when as soon as they do you cyno in a fleet that is 5-6x the size of theirs?


As I have stated in other threads the Goons and their pets are utterly pathetic at PvP, and will run at the first sign of a fair fight. By fair fight I mean an incoming fleet that is half their size or more. You have been taking massive losses whenever you do actually decide to engage in a fight, and that only happens when SoCo chases a fleet halfway around the universe.

The most fighting I see out of Goons and their pets is forum warrioring. Is it some kind of rule that whenever the goons are mentioned in a thread that you all dog pile your asshattery into them?


You can post on your Soco main. Getting kicked out of your alliance for showing your real face is probably the best thing that could happen to you right now.

An anonymous forum alt talking about bravery is pretty hilarious.



What makes you think we need forum alts?


Because all your mains are docked up.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#168 - 2012-07-09 01:06:16 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
If one Alliance/Coalition having all the tech moons is such an "issue", then take it from them?


"But you can't fight extremely rich alliances despite the numerous examples of rich, powerful alliances being taken down by coalitions of less powerful ones!"


Don't see how that's the CFC's fault then. So much hate for no reason What?


So jealousy isn't a reason? ;P
Unit757
North Point
#169 - 2012-07-09 01:13:46 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
If one Alliance/Coalition having all the tech moons is such an "issue", then take it from them?


"But you can't fight extremely rich alliances despite the numerous examples of rich, powerful alliances being taken down by coalitions of less powerful ones!"


Don't see how that's the CFC's fault then. So much hate for no reason What?


So jealousy isn't a reason? ;P


Not a good one at least.
Delvega
The Geedunk Expedition
#170 - 2012-07-09 01:13:46 UTC
dexington wrote:

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.
The carrot is to lure players into a specific location.

The whip just drives players away from their current location but doesn't necessarily get them moving towards where the whip cracker wants them to go. That's the logical fallacy of the whip and why nerfing highsec is such a **** poor idea.

Make life in highsec so unbearable and several things will happen. Those players will either go to nullsec which is what you want, or they'll go to wormholes, or lowsec, or the most likely destination is to the account management page.

If you want players to leave highsec and go into other areas of space, try to come up with an alternate solution that doesn't involve mass unsubs.
drdxie
#171 - 2012-07-09 01:44:47 UTC
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


No you didn't... check with the older null players. Tech was put there after goons had the space

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Pipa Porto
#172 - 2012-07-09 02:00:41 UTC
drdxie wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


No you didn't... check with the older null players. Tech was put there after goons had the space


Dominion (when CCP nerfed R64s and signaled the ascendancy of the Tech Era) was in late 2009.

Here's Verite's map for November 2009 (a month or so after the R64 Nerf/Tech Buff)

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png

Goonswarm is down in Querius and Delve, nowhere near Tech.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#173 - 2012-07-09 02:25:33 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
the mighty V I R I I corp makes us tremble in our sleep


Just so we're clear, what I was saying was nothing like the "wulfpax their space!!!1" he was getting at.
Delnas Sapphire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-07-09 02:28:55 UTC
Soco being fined for talking in local?
Soco being told to shut up everytime they speak in TS?
Soco having maka whelp fleets everytime he undocks?
Soco having mandatory ops and directors chewing corps out if someone misses one?

You wonder why people don't beat GS, this is just one war and the reason they are winning is because they aren't full of ****** rules and are actually able to enjoy themselves whilst other 0.0 entities act like a dictatorship.

Once alliances start to realize treating your members like **** doesn't work they might actually be able to mount a proper offensive.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#175 - 2012-07-09 04:18:38 UTC
Delvega wrote:
dexington wrote:

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.
The carrot is to lure players into a specific location.

The whip just drives players away from their current location but doesn't necessarily get them moving towards where the whip cracker wants them to go. That's the logical fallacy of the whip and why nerfing highsec is such a **** poor idea.

Make life in highsec so unbearable and several things will happen. Those players will either go to nullsec which is what you want, or they'll go to wormholes, or lowsec, or the most likely destination is to the account management page.

If you want players to leave highsec and go into other areas of space, try to come up with an alternate solution that doesn't involve mass unsubs.


Yeah pretty much, nerf high enough Ill find a new game (MWO), Im doubt Im alone.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#176 - 2012-07-09 04:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Pipa Porto wrote:
drdxie wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


No you didn't... check with the older null players. Tech was put there after goons had the space


Dominion (when CCP nerfed R64s and signaled the ascendancy of the Tech Era) was in late 2009.

Here's Verite's map for November 2009 (a month or so after the R64 Nerf/Tech Buff)

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png

Goonswarm is down in Querius and Delve, nowhere near Tech.


Careful; youre bordering rumor there
also; they dissapeared from there, only to reappear where the tech moons ARE and IT took over the old area.

http://youtu.be/RhxV_VjtqkI

2:58
then reappear at the new location 3:38
Note that proof negates rumor, and that Im not saying theres any conspiracy, just that it happened.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Pipa Porto
#177 - 2012-07-09 04:39:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
drdxie wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


No you didn't... check with the older null players. Tech was put there after goons had the space


Dominion (when CCP nerfed R64s and signaled the ascendancy of the Tech Era) was in late 2009.

Here's Verite's map for November 2009 (a month or so after the R64 Nerf/Tech Buff)

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png

Goonswarm is down in Querius and Delve, nowhere near Tech.


Careful; youre bordering rumor there
also; they dissapeared from there, only to reappear where the tech moons ARE and IT took over the old area.

http://youtu.be/RhxV_VjtqkI

2:58
then reappear at the new location 3:38
Note that proof negates rumor, and that Im not saying theres any conspiracy, just that it happened.


Right, but they certainly weren't there before Tech was buffed, as the above poster claimed.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20100203EE.png
The lost Sov Feb 3, 2010, 2 months after Dominion and the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

They didn't gain Sov in Dekklin until August 2010, 8 months after the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

8 months after != before.

As you say, proof negates rumor.


EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#178 - 2012-07-09 04:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Pipa Porto wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
drdxie wrote:
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


No you didn't... check with the older null players. Tech was put there after goons had the space


Dominion (when CCP nerfed R64s and signaled the ascendancy of the Tech Era) was in late 2009.

Here's Verite's map for November 2009 (a month or so after the R64 Nerf/Tech Buff)

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png

Goonswarm is down in Querius and Delve, nowhere near Tech.


Careful; youre bordering rumor there
also; they dissapeared from there, only to reappear where the tech moons ARE and IT took over the old area.

http://youtu.be/RhxV_VjtqkI

2:58
then reappear at the new location 3:38
Note that proof negates rumor, and that Im not saying theres any conspiracy, just that it happened.


Right, but they certainly weren't there before Tech was buffed, as the above poster claimed.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20100203EE.png
The lost Sov Feb 3, 2010, 2 months after Dominion and the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

They didn't gain Sov in Dekklin until August 2010, 8 months after the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

8 months after != before.

As you say, proof negates rumor.


EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.


again... as I said... I WASNT rumormongering as the above poster was. I dont like being banned

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#179 - 2012-07-09 05:04:44 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

Dominion (when CCP nerfed R64s and signaled the ascendancy of the Tech Era) was in late 2009.

Here's Verite's map for November 2009 (a month or so after the R64 Nerf/Tech Buff)

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png

Goonswarm is down in Querius and Delve, nowhere near Tech.

Careful; youre bordering rumor there
also; they dissapeared from there, only to reappear where the tech moons ARE and IT took over the old area.

http://youtu.be/RhxV_VjtqkI

2:58
then reappear at the new location 3:38
Note that proof negates rumor, and that Im not saying theres any conspiracy, just that it happened.

Right, but they certainly weren't there before Tech was buffed, as the above poster claimed.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20100203EE.png
The lost Sov Feb 3, 2010, 2 months after Dominion and the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

They didn't gain Sov in Dekklin until August 2010, 8 months after the r64 nerf/Tech buff.

8 months after != before.

As you say, proof negates rumor.


EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.

The tech cartel thing only occurred relatively recently too. Funny that the nerf is already expected in winter or so.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#180 - 2012-07-09 05:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dersk
Pipa Porto wrote:
EDIT: Would be nice to have a list of all of Verite's maps. EvEfiles truncates at a couple hundred, and its search function works poorly for finding Verite's maps.


You can just change the date in the URLs.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/20091126.png = november 26, 2009. Easy.