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Why CFC Will Lose The War

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Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#141 - 2012-07-08 21:26:42 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:

Oh so now it is a small market hub? Pretty sure you guys said Jita level market. Which one is it?


If you get any more pedantic you might actually get to a point.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2012-07-08 21:29:36 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:

Oh so now it is a small market hub? Pretty sure you guys said Jita level market. Which one is it?


If you get any more pedantic you might actually get to a point.

Nice dodge.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#143 - 2012-07-08 21:30:58 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:

Oh so now it is a small market hub? Pretty sure you guys said Jita level market. Which one is it?


If you get any more pedantic you might actually get to a point.

Nice dodge.


You are being a pedant - feel free to visit NPC delve and check out the markets.
Werst Dendenahzees
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#144 - 2012-07-08 21:33:11 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Cpt Roghie wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Bolow Santosi wrote:

It's hard to rent space when you don't own any space. Hence you do care about Sov.


SoCo will always rent space in EastAsia


Not that it's ever likely to happen, i am going to **** myself whilist eating a 10 year old pizza and do the joker smile for 24h the day -A- has to rent space from us because they aint got ****.


Please join the rest of literate society and read Nineteen Eighty-Four.

This has been a public service announcement from MiniLuv.


There's no such thing as Miniluv.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2012-07-08 21:34:19 UTC
Helping keep Delve stocked on a Jita level.

Ready to occupy, m8.

Hello, hello again.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-07-08 21:35:23 UTC
Werst Dendenahzees wrote:

There's no such thing as Miniluv.


How would you even know there is no such thing as MiniLuv citizen?

Take him to Room 101.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#147 - 2012-07-08 21:39:30 UTC
Some people fear pain, some fear castration, but a goon? A goon fears a comprehensive weight loss and exercise plan.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.
Generals4
#148 - 2012-07-08 21:41:04 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Some people fear pain, some fear castration, but a goon? A goon fears a comprehensive weight loss and exercise plan.


Don't check your mailbox tomorrow Twisted

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#149 - 2012-07-08 22:11:15 UTC
ITT We get a demonstration of the newest high-tech mobile goalposts.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-07-08 23:50:31 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
EvEa Deva wrote:
You can take our sov but you can never take our FREEEEDOOOMMM

personally, i'd rather have the sov.

Pretty sure we're the free ones too.

The freedome of being under -A-'s thumb.

The freedome of never undocking.

The freedome of a bubble camp.

You forgot the freedom to play EVE when and how someone else tells you to.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#151 - 2012-07-09 00:34:31 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
who says we're going back north? we'll just **** on catch forever and always in some sort of buggered up marriage with -a- in which they hide in stain and we do the eve equivalent of poop on their floor and draw phalluses on their walls.


I say you are going back to the north.

The only way you might consider actually staying in the south would be a tech nerf.


ah that actually explains things

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#152 - 2012-07-09 04:41:57 UTC
Thread lacks content. Mods, please lock.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#153 - 2012-07-09 04:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Pretty sure we're the free ones too.

The freedome of being under -A-'s thumb.

The freedome of never undocking.

The freedome of a bubble camp.

You forgot the freedom to play EVE when and how someone else tells you to.

Freedome to dock when the enemy brings X,

where X is appromately any ship, multiplied by blob.

Freedome to primary blackbirds and rifters, too.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#154 - 2012-07-09 04:57:46 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Thread lacks content. Mods, please lock.


and in saying with the tech nerf RUMOR

is against the rules there as well....

supposedly

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ray Blast
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-07-09 07:50:37 UTC
"Those who do not know history's mistakes are doomed to repeat them."

That dude never said what happened to people who depend on other people repeating history's mistakes.

Probably not fun things, if I had to guess.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#156 - 2012-07-09 08:01:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Marconus Orion wrote:

Oh so now it is a small market hub? Pretty sure you guys said Jita level market. Which one is it? Hundreds of man hours you say? Divided between how many logistic guys?

The F2O market is at most comparable to a small empire hub, say Agil - market coverage is very spotty and markups on the items that are seeded are often huge (random example: 60% markup on nanite repair paste which is probably the most important pvp consumable right after ammo and has very low volume per unit so you don't need anything fancy to import it).

go to http://goonmetrics.com/importing/

and check the

>= 25% Markup
< 50% Stock and
Items To Seed

sections for F2O and you will see a lot of extremely common items having either huge markups or missing entirely (and I'm not talking about the lack of Marauders and +5 implants but about basic pvp ships, items and consumables).

Goons don't notice this very much as their alliance contracts are well stocked with pre-fitted ships but the market itself is pretty bad and not comparable to any notable empire hubs.
The comparison to Jita is even more ridiculous as the whole buy order side of the market tends to miss completely in 0.0 staging systems.

(Of course it is a considerable feat to stock a market even that much - but before we have another round of CFC chestbeating I'd like to point out that for some reason almost anything I need to buy seems to have better prices and availability in 319 than in 1DH (which sucks as I'm on the CFC+HB side). The SoCo logistics team is clearly not idle either.)

.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#157 - 2012-07-09 08:19:36 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:

Oh so now it is a small market hub? Pretty sure you guys said Jita level market. Which one is it? Hundreds of man hours you say? Divided between how many logistic guys?

The F2O market is at most comparable to a small empire hub, say Agil - market coverage is very spotty and markups on the items that are seeded are often huge (random example: 60% markup on nanite repair paste which is probably the most important pvp consumable right after ammo and has very low volume per unit so you don't need anything fancy to import it).

go to http://goonmetrics.com/importing/

and check the

>= 25% Markup
< 50% Stock and
Items To Seed

sections for F2O and you will see a lot of extremely common items having either huge markups or missing entirely (and I'm not talking about the lack of Marauders and +5 implants but about basic pvp ships, items and consumables).

Goons don't notice this very much as their alliance contracts are well stocked with pre-fitted ships but the market itself is pretty bad and not comparable to any notable empire hubs.
The comparison to Jita is even more ridiculous as the whole buy order side of the market tends to miss completely in 0.0 staging systems.

(Of course it is a considerable feat to stock a market even that much - but before we have another round of CFC chestbeating I'd like to point out that for some reason almost anything I need to buy seems to have better prices and availability in 319 than in 1DH (which sucks as I'm on the CFC+HB side). The SoCo logistics team is clearly not idle either.)


Don't forget market warfare.

I remember the CFC forcing them to import tons of bombs after relisting all of theirs to 10m per. Both sides often relist items in order to gain a strategic advantage for a few hours.

Also, deployment markets focus on what is used and needed - you don't see marauders in the field, or people PvPing in +5 implants on a war of this scale. 6VDT has always had a fantastic market, but it was skimpy on amarr or gallente modules and ammo, for example.

Also, RE: Nanite Paste, it isn't of much use when you repair for free in friendly stations, and never really expect to make it home in anything but your pod (most CFC fleets are rather suicidal). Nanite Paste sees more limited use, as a result.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2012-07-09 08:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Akirei Scytale wrote:

Also, deployment markets focus on what is used and needed - you don't see marauders in the field, or people PvPing in +5 implants on a war of this scale.

yep, that's what I said
Vera Algaert wrote:
and I'm not talking about the lack of Marauders and +5 implants but about basic pvp ships, items and consumables

The SoCo has a much wider variety of fleet compositions in active use (if you can call them "active" Twisted) and I guess that contributes a lot to their market having good overall coverage.

I agree that market warfare is a plausible explanation for items like faction/T2 ammo being obscenely overpriced for short-ish periods of time.

(things I didn't get in 1DH recently was ship+fittings for a Cynabal and a Retribution - if I get to take part in the big engagements at all then only in a sb so my needs are "special").

anyways, no point in whining - I could list some of the missing items in 1DH/F2O myself if I really cared enough (would probably profit nicely doing so); my main purpose here was to give a straight-forward answer to that Marconus guy.

.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#159 - 2012-07-09 09:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Vera Algaert wrote:
anyways, no point in whining - I could list some of the missing items in 1DH/F2O myself if I really cared enough (would probably profit nicely doing so); my main purpose here was to give a straight-forward answer to that Marconus guy.

It's goonsourced. Help yourself to tasty profits :)

Don't mess with rifters though, the newbies need those to jam and web certain SoCo FCs..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#160 - 2012-07-12 06:03:57 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:
anyways, no point in whining - I could list some of the missing items in 1DH/F2O myself if I really cared enough (would probably profit nicely doing so); my main purpose here was to give a straight-forward answer to that Marconus guy.

It's goonsourced. Help yourself to tasty profits :)

Don't mess with rifters though, the newbies need those to jam and web certain SoCo FCs..


You guys should totally endorse the product in my sig lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.