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[Proposal] Static Signatures

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-09 04:19:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vertisce Soritenshi
Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.

This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.

Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.

This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed.

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-09 10:41:33 UTC
This is on my personal list of annoying things (the "thousand asspains") and I've reminded some people about it.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-09 15:45:31 UTC
If it is part of the "thousand papercuts" list then that will make me happy.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#4 - 2011-10-09 17:10:03 UTC
I support this as well. The only thing I could see affecting a signature is if the site was cleared out completely (including looted and salvaged) and thus would create reason for a new site to spawn elsewhere.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-09 23:29:00 UTC
Shameless bump for much needed change.

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Sepheir Sepheron
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-10 07:31:08 UTC
Well it's wormhole (lost) space and it's impossible to go through a wormhole and guess what system you're in just because the sun(s) are in a similar position.
Lucius Arcturus
Peoples Capitalist Liberation Front
#7 - 2011-10-11 02:57:21 UTC
+1. Especially annoying for WH pilots and explorers in general because the IDs also change whenever the server derps, which can be frustratingly common after an expansion/patch.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-10-11 15:32:04 UTC
I guess what I don't understand is if EvE can remember a ship name and its last location when it logged out then why can't it do the same for a site?

Unless CCP is deliberately making the sites change ID's so that we HAVE to rescan them down every day even though they don't change locations or anything. If this is the case then it is just annoying...it does not contribute anything to the gameplay except maybe some scanning practice for new pilots. Other than that its just an irritating nuisance. Please change/fix it CCP.

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Raid'En
#9 - 2011-10-12 01:18:43 UTC
Lucius Arcturus wrote:
+1. Especially annoying for WH pilots and explorers in general because the IDs also change whenever the server derps, which can be frustratingly common after an expansion/patch.

i used to take screenshot of ID after DT when i was able to be online at this time, but a little server crash and you did that for nothing...

the probes change made basic scanning (checking type, not going to 100%) even more long, so at least give us this little thing...
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#10 - 2011-10-12 01:32:42 UTC
+1

They stay in the same places, the wormholes connect to the same systems and retain their mass limits, yet the IDs get shuffled?

This definitely needs to be fixed soon. Good to see a CSM backing it.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-12 13:10:03 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
+1

They stay in the same places, the wormholes connect to the same systems and retain their mass limits, yet the IDs get shuffled?

This definitely needs to be fixed soon. Good to see a CSM backing it.


This is a perfect point to why the current system does not make sense. I don't suppose we have any chance of input from a Dev as to why it is this way? Difficult code or intentional...would be nice to know and see CCP's stance on the matter.

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Tyrhineld Malukker
Games Inc.
#12 - 2011-10-12 14:47:16 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
+1

They stay in the same places, the wormholes connect to the same systems and retain their mass limits, yet the IDs get shuffled?

This definitely needs to be fixed soon. Good to see a CSM backing it.


This is a perfect point to why the current system does not make sense. I don't suppose we have any chance of input from a Dev as to why it is this way? Difficult code or intentional...would be nice to know and see CCP's stance on the matter.


Considering we're in the CSM assembly hall i really doubt a CCP dev will comment on this thread. That said I haven't had experience with the phenomena listed above but it seems like a slight quality of life change for WH explorers. Supported.

+1

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steave435
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-12 15:01:43 UTC
Sepheir Sepheron wrote:
Well it's wormhole (lost) space and it's impossible to go through a wormhole and guess what system you're in just because the sun(s) are in a similar position.

So if you scan down a site before DT and stay in system, you suddenly have no idea you're still in the same system after DT? And it's impossible to identify a system when suns, planets and moons all match up to what they used to be?
CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#14 - 2011-10-12 21:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: CaleAdaire
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.

This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.

Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.

This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed.


WHAT?!?!

Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary.

-1

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CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#15 - 2011-10-12 21:34:50 UTC
steave435 wrote:
Sepheir Sepheron wrote:
Well it's wormhole (lost) space and it's impossible to go through a wormhole and guess what system you're in just because the sun(s) are in a similar position.

So if you scan down a site before DT and stay in system, you suddenly have no idea you're still in the same system after DT? And it's impossible to identify a system when suns, planets and moons all match up to what they used to be?


The J Tag, which identifies the wormhole, stays the same. So this has no bearing whatsoever.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-12 21:38:31 UTC
CaleAdaire wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.

This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.

Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.

This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed.


WHAT?!?!

Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary.

-1


Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here...

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CaleAdaire
Deep Core Mining Inc.
#17 - 2011-10-12 21:48:49 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
CaleAdaire wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.

This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.

Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.

This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed.


WHAT?!?!

Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary.

-1


Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here...


And you missed my point genius... Bookmark your sigs and you won't have to rescan them!!
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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-10-12 22:30:01 UTC
CaleAdaire wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
CaleAdaire wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:
Ok...I know this has been brought up before. It needs to be brought up again.

This especially applies to WH space but is relevant to anybody who scans in EvE.

Once a site is created its signature ID should not change after downtime. It is rather irritating to have to scan down the same sites after downtime again and again. It is really that simple. I am not sure why this hasn't been done already. I can't imagine it is that hard for the server to remember the name of a signature ID of a site or object in space.

This is just one of those little things (thousand papercuts) that should be changed.


WHAT?!?!

Have you ever even been in a wormhole? Really, let's let the common sense monster out of its cage on this one (Since you seem to be scared of it). When you scan something down in a wormhole, you bookmark it. Then you open up "People and Places" and while holding shift, click and drag to your cargo hold. Then take that item and put it in the corporate hangar where anyone can get it. Best part, name your exit WH "EXIT" or "C3 -> C2". Then, rinse, repeat as necessary.

-1


Wow...you fell off the boat there bud. This isn't just regarding WH's themselves...this goes for annoms and sigs in general. Read this thread again...think about it a bit and try again. You aren't even on the same page here...


And you missed my point genius... Bookmark your sigs and you won't have to rescan them!!
Here's a floatie, the boat left before you showed up.


Your point is irrelevant since you have completely missed the point to this thread to begin with. Everybody as well as myself are aware that you can bookmark sites and WH's. The point is having to rescan them to update your list of sites and WH's when they do change. New ones pop up...WH's collapse and respawn. This gets ever more complicated when you have a chain of WH's you might use for one purpose or another and you go through downtime.

Seems to me that the "common sense monster" ate your brain before you "released" it.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-10-13 13:46:42 UTC
I said...Shameless BUMP!

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MNagy
Yo-Mama
#20 - 2011-10-13 17:33:51 UTC
It's an annoyance that the ID's change after downtime.

And really there is no reason for it as the site itself retains everything about it.
Example: Today you scan a grav and mine the ark
Tomorrow when you warp to it, the ark is still gone and the bistot remains....

100% agree - the sigID should not change.
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