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Its a case of you being told to stop and you didn't. You just kept on going.

You could have tried to make your case then, instead you bumped on. You deserve it.

Which you didn't do, at least not in spirit.

Also the two posts before the (24h) lock were not 24 hours apart:

2012.07.04 19:23

2012.07.05 15:05

so it was righteous, and not excessive (ie not a forever lock).

Do you understand the difference between spirit and word? You basically mocked the ISD. You trolled and got trolled back. And you expect sympathy and support in your butthurt after basically asking for it. Yes the ISD should get a sense of humor etc, but we also need to do our part and not be total asses.



This is true, I apologize.



Open a petition. The rules are indeed explicit about this.

I also apologize, I was a little quick on that (nor aware of the policy for that area of the forums).

Fortunately, it was only a 24 hour lock...

I see common sense is still a work in progress ...


Tal

Gotta appreciate the ISDs patience a little bit ago.

Hi. Been away because *Alaska*.

Havn't really seen progress beyond what we discussed those first 48 hours + the apologies and promise to change from ISD.

I have not seen any of those promises followed through with actions or any further elaboration on policy.

Are they at least enforcing things more consistently?

CCP, have you taken a position on what you want this community to be?

Unfortunately, that would be abused by trolls, which the forum has plenty of.

So, ISD Barstorlode, while I appreciate the fact that you're trying do something to interact with the community, white knighting CCP is not the best way to do it. In fact, it only serves to anger and insult the players eagerly waiting for the promised DevBlog (as it clearly did*), while not adding anything constructive to the conversation (in fact, derailing the conversation entirely)**. When you make comments like that without any input from above (if you had input, you would have been able to give some details on timing), and are clearly being glib, you fall right into rumor.

If CCP wants to strictly enforce all 30 of it's forum rules (30 is a big number), then the people representing it should hold themselves to following all 30 rules. If CCP doesn't want to strictly enforce all of its rules, it should strip the ones it doesn't like out.

Being funny is fine, Barstorlode, but trying to do so while WhiteKnighting for CCP (help that they usually don't need), especially under an official title, smacks of Glibness and annoys the hell out of people (as you saw).

Finally, saying that people calling you out for bad posting under color of ISDness is uncalled for is ridiculous(especially when you try to get the last word in a thread you ran off the rails). When you badpost, you get called out on it. If you don't want to get called out for badposting, well then, don't badpost.

On a more general note, I'm seeing a disturbing return to the ISD crew acting as WhiteKnights for CCP and largely ignoring nastiness directed between players.


*"7. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the players. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not contribute to the sense of community we want for our forums."

**"20. Post constructively.
Posts that are not constructive, insulting or rude may be deleted, no matter how valid the ideas behind them may be."

***"30. Rumor threads and posts
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. Players who engage in these type of threads can expect to receive a warning and ban."

****Directing comments here as instructed
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1599219#post1599219

[sigh] Now I have to look it up on EvEsearch. (You Ninja'd the Edit in before Chribba, you sly fox)

Anyway, the reason for the thread was that a promised Devblog (which IIRC was promised with a timeframe [silly, I know]) was being delayed.

Looking at it from the perspective of people who are keen on hearing about the issue and worked up over it, telling them Soon™ with no new timeline and a condescending "You've been waiting for a week+, so checking in is being impatient" is pretty clearly going to stir up trouble.

The better option as an ISD would have been to sit down, resist the urge to post, fire off a mail to the pertinent CCP, and either post "I sent X a mail about it, and hope to get a timeline or progress report/but they're on vacation/but they're dangling over lava in Dr. Evil's lair, and I'm sorry for the delay" or not posted anything until you get return correspondence with a progress report/timeline/link to devblog.

It's not the Match's fault the powderkeg explodes when you stick the match in, it's the powder.