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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-07-08 16:45:37 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil


Cant if the current holders buys corps, strenght and has untimited reimbursement powers. Read my post properly pls


i'm sorry but the people in null sec who didn't bother to try and take the tech moons have nobody to blame but themselves. this situation is a direct result of their own actions or lack of.



So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2012-07-08 16:48:19 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:


Your flawed argument is like calling the owner of a small grocery store stupid for not being more competitive and letting Walmart put him out of business.


What you're saying here is that the US government (CCP) should shut down Walmart (GSF/CFC/OTEC) for being too big. Yeah thats not going to happen either. It will never change because there's no rule stopping anyone from becoming Walmart.

GSF used to be the small grocery store and BOB was Walmart and what did the GSF do? We took over the galaxy and crushed BOB and its 3(so far) reiterations. If you can't do that then yes, it's no ones fault but your own.
Dave Stark
#43 - 2012-07-08 16:48:55 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil


Cant if the current holders buys corps, strenght and has untimited reimbursement powers. Read my post properly pls


i'm sorry but the people in null sec who didn't bother to try and take the tech moons have nobody to blame but themselves. this situation is a direct result of their own actions or lack of.



So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#44 - 2012-07-08 16:49:29 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
forestwho wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil


Cant if the current holders buys corps, strenght and has untimited reimbursement powers. Read my post properly pls


i'm sorry but the people in null sec who didn't bother to try and take the tech moons have nobody to blame but themselves. this situation is a direct result of their own actions or lack of.



So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.


So get a bigger bropact. They can get 1200 dudes why cant you?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-07-08 16:51:57 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:


So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.


So get a bigger bropact. They can get 1200 dudes why cant you?[/quote]

SoCo has NEVER fielded a fleet that big, as in there isn't enough of the rest of the map.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2012-07-08 16:53:09 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#47 - 2012-07-08 16:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cameron Cahill
Onictus wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:


So tell me about Bropact?

Seems like you shave a tech moon and you get 1200 sceamers in local that live from Fountain, all the way around to Gem.


So get a bigger bropact. They can get 1200 dudes why cant you?


SoCo has NEVER fielded a fleet that big, as in there isn't enough of the rest of the map.


Not our problem even though there is, you have a large(ish) coalition, if you cant scrape 1200 from 25k then whose fault is that? That and you have 15k renters between you and solar why don't you stop shitting on them and start utilizing them?
Dave Stark
#48 - 2012-07-08 16:56:46 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.


which station did they stage a sit-in for that?
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#49 - 2012-07-08 16:58:19 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.


which station did they stage a sit-in for that?


Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2012-07-08 16:59:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.


which station did they stage a sit-in for that?


Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.


We took it, DNS actually shaved it, so we let them have it. They held it for 17 hours or some such.

That is the terrible -A- diplomacy you always scream about.

All of the POS mods are on my KB if you have any doubts.
Dave Stark
#51 - 2012-07-08 17:00:41 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.


which station did they stage a sit-in for that?


Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.


looks like that detailed account of their efforts to change ownership of tech moons will be a worse read than 50 shades of grey.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2012-07-08 17:02:11 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.


which station did they stage a sit-in for that?


Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.


looks like that detailed account of their efforts to change ownership of tech moons will be a worse read than 50 shades of grey.


I wouldn't go quite that far. I mean maka raging would provide at least some humour.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#53 - 2012-07-08 17:03:27 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


i'll tell you about bropact when you tell me, in detail, about your in-game efforts to change who owns the tech moons.


Be fair they deployed, they tried, they died in a fire.


which station did they stage a sit-in for that?


Somewhere in placid apparently. They shot a pl moon 1 jump from where they were staging and couldn't take it.


We took it, DNS actually shaved it, so we let them have it. They held it for 17 hours or some such.

That is the terrible -A- diplomacy you always scream about.

All of the POS mods are on my KB if you have any doubts.


17 hours is hardly op success... I mean did they even get any tech out of it? Like enough to pay for the dead tower?
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2012-07-08 17:04:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Cameron Cahill wrote:


I wouldn't go quite that far. I mean maka raging would provide at least some humour.



Maka rage is great, I look forward to Maka foaming when I jump in coms, that means there is some **** and its going to be fun. When he's calm, its usually a structure shoot.

Cameron Cahill wrote:


17 hours is hardly op success... I mean did they even get any tech out of it? Like enough to pay for the dead tower?


You missed the DNS part. They shaved it, they got the moon, we just gave the numbers to kill the POS. They are in no other way affiliated -A- or the SoC0, they are WAY north for us.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2012-07-08 17:06:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
Xinivrae wrote:


That right there, that "it's impossible, don't bother to try" mentality is what's keeping you down.

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#56 - 2012-07-08 17:08:41 UTC
dexington wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


Judging from the public opinion on the forum, you are better off staying in empire. The 0.0 population use to much time complaining about how bad everything is in 0.0, empire seem like a nice place why would anyone leave?

Living in empire means more time to shoot at red dots and less time complaining on the forums, and you don't have to take part in the space politics, which seems to be mostly posting on the forums about how great you corp/alliance is, and how terrible everyone else is.

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.



My point is that if Empire Dwellers do not like the way things are right now, the same tools that Goonswarm et al have used to build their empire are also available for high sec dwellers. If they choose not avail themselves of said tools, then complaining about the way things are at present is as pointless as two bald men fighting over a comb.

It should not require CCP stepping in to solve the problems of either group (barring the possible redistribution of Tech moons). EVE has always been about player choices over and above any mechanic, nerf or buff. If players cannot make the effort to get off their comfortably padded couches and do something for themselves, then they should expect nothing to change.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2012-07-08 17:10:58 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

It should not require CCP stepping in to solve the problems of either group (barring the possible redistribution of Tech moons). EVE has always been about player choices over and above any mechanic, nerf or buff. If players cannot make the effort to get off their comfortably padded couches and do something for themselves, then they should expect nothing to change.


Not empty quoting.
Dave Stark
#58 - 2012-07-08 17:11:14 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Xinivrae wrote:


That right there, that "it's impossible, don't bother to try" mentality is what's keeping you down.

Riiiight, cause my 250 man alliance stands a real good chance in a war for assets against the tens of thousnads of members of the CFC. Every time one of your gangs comes through we destroy it (in admittedly usually good fights), but I am not delusional enough to think we could even make a stand in a real war. You out number us 100 to 1, an some of us don't enjoy playing in TiDi.


while i agree with your reasoning for the analogy.
the issue is, us gov't is there to protect the small business as it can't just go and set fire to the walmart.

this is eve.
go burn walmart down.
Dramaticus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-07-08 17:11:35 UTC
Omnipotence Itself.

The 'do-nothing' member of the GoonSwarm Economic Warfare Cabal

The edge is REALLY hard to see at times but it DOES exist and in this case we were looking at a situation where a new feature created for all of our customers was being virtually curbstomped by five of them
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-07-08 17:15:53 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
dexington wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


Judging from the public opinion on the forum, you are better off staying in empire. The 0.0 population use to much time complaining about how bad everything is in 0.0, empire seem like a nice place why would anyone leave?

Living in empire means more time to shoot at red dots and less time complaining on the forums, and you don't have to take part in the space politics, which seems to be mostly posting on the forums about how great you corp/alliance is, and how terrible everyone else is.

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.



My point is that if Empire Dwellers do not like the way things are right now, the same tools that Goonswarm et al have used to build their empire are also available for high sec dwellers. If they choose not avail themselves of said tools, then complaining about the way things are at present is as pointless as two bald men fighting over a comb.

It should not require CCP stepping in to solve the problems of either group (barring the possible redistribution of Tech moons). EVE has always been about player choices over and above any mechanic, nerf or buff. If players cannot make the effort to get off their comfortably padded couches and do something for themselves, then they should expect nothing to change.



I don't completley agree here.

Your choices currently are rent, or NPC space if you want to go on your own.

Some corps have pulled it, Black Aces went from renter, to trial, to member and onward in -A-. I wish them luck, they were chill as **** to fly with.


NPC space has issues with ability of denial, and renting has basically SOV bills. Eitherway there are bigger fish.

Fact is that supers drive null, and you can't build supers without sov, you "may" be able to buy them, but they don't appear from air, and there isn't a huge market, generally the people with the ability and the security to build them don't farm them out.

All good also.

The catch 22 is you need sov to build supers and you need supers to hold sov.