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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2012-07-08 11:43:58 UTC
Interesting how when the topic of power projection comes up and how it needs looked at; major power blocks come running in screaming it does not need a nerf. Yet if you look in this very thread nothing but bragging by the very same people of how easy logistics and power projection is and how it enables them to be anywhere on the map with ease. Ugh

The truth is revealed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#82 - 2012-07-08 11:58:15 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Interesting how when the topic of power projection comes up and how it needs looked at; major power blocks come running in screaming it does not need a nerf. Yet if you look in this very thread nothing but bragging by the very same people of how easy logistics and power projection is and how it enables them to be anywhere on the map with ease. Ugh

The truth is revealed.


I have seen this said about so many empires in the past 6 years its lost all meaning to me.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2012-07-08 12:00:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
EvEa Deva wrote:
You can take our sov but you can never take our FREEEEDOOOMMM

personally, i'd rather have the sov.

Pretty sure we're the free ones too.

The freedome of being under -A-'s thumb.

The freedome of never undocking.

The freedome of a bubble camp.



-snip-


I thought of you for some reason.

Sexually suggestive link removed.

ISD Tyrozan
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#84 - 2012-07-08 12:40:50 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Interesting how when the topic of power projection comes up and how it needs looked at; major power blocks come running in screaming it does not need a nerf. Yet if you look in this very thread nothing but bragging by the very same people of how easy logistics and power projection is and how it enables them to be anywhere on the map with ease. Ugh

The truth is revealed.


Look at this person in this thread who doesn't like fights happening.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#85 - 2012-07-08 13:00:46 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Interesting how when the topic of power projection comes up and how it needs looked at; major power blocks come running in screaming it does not need a nerf. Yet if you look in this very thread nothing but bragging by the very same people of how easy logistics and power projection is and how it enables them to be anywhere on the map with ease. Ugh

The truth is revealed.


Oh wow, another confused strawman from noted nullsec expert, marlona sky.

The post you are referring to in this thread is talking about creating a single staging area to defend a region from assault. It would be impossible to remove this ability without...never mind, it would just be impossible under the basic mechanics of the entire game as we know it. Removing the ability for people to make their way to any point in the galaxy over the course of literally a week would remove the ability for anyone to do anything.

What actually knowledgeable nullsec people are concerned about with reference to "power projection" is the free movement of capitals, where you can't have a good regional supercap scrap without a reasonable fear that every other supercap fleet in the game can make it there in time to pile on. This ability to "project power" over huge distances in a short period of time limits the ability for smaller regional escalations. It isn't game-breaking, but it does dampen strategy and fun somewhat for smaller entities. This has to do with recharge times, and is potentially addressable.

What actually knowledgeable nullsec people are vehemently against is a further JB nerf, which actually has nothing to do with "power projection" and everything to do with making the day to day in nullsec more bearable, and maintaining sov space as something worth claiming, developing, and defending.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#86 - 2012-07-08 13:10:24 UTC
SetrakDark wrote:
Marconus Orion wrote:
Interesting how when the topic of power projection comes up and how it needs looked at; major power blocks come running in screaming it does not need a nerf. Yet if you look in this very thread nothing but bragging by the very same people of how easy logistics and power projection is and how it enables them to be anywhere on the map with ease. Ugh

The truth is revealed.


Oh wow, another confused strawman from noted nullsec expert, marlona sky.

The post you are referring to in this thread is talking about creating a single staging area to defend a region from assault. It would be impossible to remove this ability without...never mind, it would just be impossible under the basic mechanics of the entire game as we know it. Removing the ability for people to make their way to any point in the galaxy over the course of literally a week would remove the ability for anyone to do anything.

What actually knowledgeable nullsec people are concerned about with reference to "power projection" is the free movement of capitals, where you can't have a good regional supercap scrap without a reasonable fear that every other supercap fleet in the game can make it there in time to pile on. This ability to "project power" over huge distances in a short period of time limits the ability for smaller regional escalations. It isn't game-breaking, but it does dampen strategy and fun somewhat for smaller entities. This has to do with recharge times, and is potentially addressable.

What actually knowledgeable nullsec people are vehemently against is a further JB nerf, which actually has nothing to do with "power projection" and everything to do with making the day to day in nullsec more bearable, and maintaining sov space as something worth claiming, developing, and defending.



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Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
The Initiative.
#87 - 2012-07-08 13:21:39 UTC
I would just like to point out one thing...

We have these guys, They have a big X or two in there name. They just lost a bunch of space and have been given a couch to crash on. Wonder what we will do with all that space...? HUmmm... Seems like an idea. Give a once huge alliance a region to rebuild in...

The thought...
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#88 - 2012-07-08 13:36:33 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Bet it's nice to watch your "friends" lose their sov, eh. Guess you'll be the saviors when you help them get it back or something.


Yeah there is going to be structure grind hell at some point.

Funny.
Any structure grinding we perform during our conquest of Delve/PB/querious, you'll have to do it too if you want to take them back. And unlike PL, I doubt you'll dare drop supers to get that tedious work done.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#89 - 2012-07-08 13:48:21 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
The clogged toilet known as CAOD, guys: It's over there ---->


I hope you realize that this is where the spotlight is shining in EVE right now, with out-of-game sources buzzing about it.


And I could give a crap, because...why, please?


Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#90 - 2012-07-08 13:50:00 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:


Bet it's nice to watch your "friends" lose their sov, eh. Guess you'll be the saviors when you help them get it back or something.


Yeah there is going to be structure grind hell at some point.

Funny.
Any structure grinding we perform during our conquest of Delve/PB/querious, you'll have to do it too if you want to take them back. And unlike PL, I doubt you'll dare drop supers to get that tedious work done.


didnt want that sov anyway

This could be fun.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#91 - 2012-07-08 14:48:30 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Interesting how when the topic of power projection comes up and how it needs looked at; major power blocks come running in screaming it does not need a nerf. Yet if you look in this very thread nothing but bragging by the very same people of how easy logistics and power projection is and how it enables them to be anywhere on the map with ease. Ugh

The truth is revealed.


Somebody didn't read about last week's capital convoy.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#92 - 2012-07-08 15:06:34 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
The fact that we all busted up laughing when -A- managed to bomb an entire Drake fleet and then just went and got new Drakes to keep fighting is outright impossible for them to believe. We could have a video recording entire fleets of ours being destroyed with us just calming reshipping and getting back into the fight without caring at all about the loss and they would still accuse us of lying.


That leads to the eqq-hen-question, though. Right now it's ofc easy to lose a whole Drake fleet, when you have the financial supply to replace it "without caring".
Dave stark
#93 - 2012-07-08 15:12:34 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
The fact that we all busted up laughing when -A- managed to bomb an entire Drake fleet and then just went and got new Drakes to keep fighting is outright impossible for them to believe. We could have a video recording entire fleets of ours being destroyed with us just calming reshipping and getting back into the fight without caring at all about the loss and they would still accuse us of lying.


That leads to the eqq-hen-question, though. Right now it's ofc easy to lose a whole Drake fleet, when you have the financial supply to replace it "without caring".


it's quite sad if you can't lose a cheap ship like a drake and laugh about it.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#94 - 2012-07-08 15:18:42 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
The fact that we all busted up laughing when -A- managed to bomb an entire Drake fleet and then just went and got new Drakes to keep fighting is outright impossible for them to believe. We could have a video recording entire fleets of ours being destroyed with us just calming reshipping and getting back into the fight without caring at all about the loss and they would still accuse us of lying.


That leads to the eqq-hen-question, though. Right now it's ofc easy to lose a whole Drake fleet, when you have the financial supply to replace it "without caring".


it's quite sad if you can't lose a cheap ship like a drake and laugh about it.


true one must laugh at the loss of one drake, but you failed to read what the guy wrote correctly, he said a whole Drake fleet.
which could be 100 - 500 ships or even more, a considerable loss to smaller corps/alliances.
Dave stark
#95 - 2012-07-08 15:25:46 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
The fact that we all busted up laughing when -A- managed to bomb an entire Drake fleet and then just went and got new Drakes to keep fighting is outright impossible for them to believe. We could have a video recording entire fleets of ours being destroyed with us just calming reshipping and getting back into the fight without caring at all about the loss and they would still accuse us of lying.


That leads to the eqq-hen-question, though. Right now it's ofc easy to lose a whole Drake fleet, when you have the financial supply to replace it "without caring".


it's quite sad if you can't lose a cheap ship like a drake and laugh about it.


true one must laugh at the loss of one drake, but you failed to read what the guy wrote correctly, he said a whole Drake fleet.
which could be 100 - 500 ships or even more, a considerable loss to smaller corps/alliances.


i feel i'm missing some thing here.

if you're a smaller alliance or corp [i assume we're determining smaller/larger by number of players] then you'll be losing less ships to begin with?

regardless of the reimbursement issue; if you, as an individual player, can not afford to replace a drake then... i don't really know what to say. i'm not the best nor most enthusiastic combat pilot but i always make sure i have a drake or two i'm willing to lose without the possibility of reimbursement.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#96 - 2012-07-08 15:25:55 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
it's quite sad if you can't lose a cheap ship like a drake and laugh about it.


Well, then I am sad I guess. Sad

But that wasn't really the question. When losing something doesn't hurt you, ofc it's easy to laugh about it. Will you still laugh, when you have lost so many drakes that your wallet is empty? That can't happen you say, because your wallet is so big that you can lose thousands of drakes? Good for you, but that doesn't really prove that you will still laugh when you lose something important (kudos if you do).
Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#97 - 2012-07-08 15:32:20 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
it's quite sad if you can't lose a cheap ship like a drake and laugh about it.


Well, then I am sad I guess. Sad

But that wasn't really the question. When losing something doesn't hurt you, ofc it's easy to laugh about it. Will you still laugh, when you have lost so many drakes that your wallet is empty? That can't happen you say, because your wallet is so big that you can lose thousands of drakes? Good for you, but that doesn't really prove that you will still laugh when you lose something important (kudos if you do).


inb4 pics or it didnt happen.



It's a game, its supposed to be fun, sure you might lose a ship or houndred, but if you had fun... You win.

This could be fun.
Dave stark
#98 - 2012-07-08 15:39:42 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
it's quite sad if you can't lose a cheap ship like a drake and laugh about it.


Well, then I am sad I guess. Sad

But that wasn't really the question. When losing something doesn't hurt you, ofc it's easy to laugh about it. Will you still laugh, when you have lost so many drakes that your wallet is empty? That can't happen you say, because your wallet is so big that you can lose thousands of drakes? Good for you, but that doesn't really prove that you will still laugh when you lose something important (kudos if you do).


i meant it more from the point of it's a game and if you don't enjoy flying ships like a loonatic and being blown up in spectacular and hilarious ways then it's sad.

every drake i've lost has hurt me. i've never had a drake reimbursed. granted i haven't lost many drakes but that's because i've not had many to lose because i quite frankly have more fun throwing away rifters because rifters are ******* awesome. however that's not the point. if we're talking about some thing valuable then yeah when i lose a 300m ship i probably will be very annoyed. however we're not talking about valuable ships we're talking about relatively cheap throwaway battlecruisers.
Apostate Lucius
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-07-08 15:43:09 UTC
James 315 wrote:
[ ] #31. Defeat is not defeat.
"Sure they can take all of our regions. But they can't HOLD them."

The Official EVE Propaganda Checklist (from Feb 2007).

Not looking good for SoCo Blink


It is only propoganda if it rings false. Otherwise, it is the reality of the situation.

Let Caesar never forget, though he may rule with the authority of the gods, he is allowed to rule by the whim of the people.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#100 - 2012-07-08 15:52:31 UTC
...implying that is doesn't ring false.