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Grats CCP, No armsrace will every be possible vs current tech holders
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forestwho
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-08 14:00:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
due your repetable failures

This is not about nerfing tech, -snip-. Resulting in several things:

Unlimited reimbursent power;
-Basicly this gives the abillity to suicie fleet after fleet to ware the oppoment isk pool down.

Unlimited capital ship buying power;
-Abllity to fully fund allaince super capitals and reimburse them and not getting an financial injury when losing.

Strenghten the individual corporations of a tech alliance more
-By having lots of isk for those corps they are able to purchase more and better support for there members. Think hereby about setting up logi chains with corp JF's, hireing FC's and free roaming ship reimbursements.

Giving those alliances a better moral and a better pubic image due more isk
-Good FC's tend to join such allaices as they are getting payed in isk and getting their ships fully reimbursed. This creates a chain of affects that boost internal alli moral (more stuff/roams to do) and increases overall public image

Exellent Alliance Recruitment
-Those allainces can take in more and better corps due promising them isk every month. Why shouldnt join an allaince that reimburse all your losses freely, hands out free supers and payes you 10-20b a month for just being there...

This is an armsrace that will effects eve for a long long time. Due poor game desighn and repeatable negection of serious issues like this i come to the conclusion that you have learned nothing so far CCP. The only way to fix this a little bit is insta removing tech from tech moons and NPC seed it at current prices untill ringmining is introduced. The excess isk gained should be removed to a level thats acceptable, something thats upto you to decide. The biggest reson for this to do it now is due ISK stocking. When the amount of isk that an allaice gains is soo high that they can save up 500 billion isk a month, something must be serious wrong. When an alliance has over 10 Trillion in savings and gaining another 500 billion a month something is not right.... -snip-

Post edited for trolling.

ISD Tyrozan
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#2 - 2012-07-08 14:04:55 UTC
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-07-08 14:13:57 UTC
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.
Dave stark
#4 - 2012-07-08 14:14:43 UTC
i wondered what the next excuse would be.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#5 - 2012-07-08 14:27:04 UTC
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Outspoken Alliance
#6 - 2012-07-08 14:29:08 UTC
forestwho wrote:

This is an armsrace that will effects eve for a long long time. Due poor game desighn and repeatable negection of serious issues like this i come to the conclusion that you have learned nothing so far CCP. The only way to fix this a little bit is insta removing tech from tech moons and NPC seed it at current prices untill ringmining is introduced. The excess isk gained should be removed to a level thats acceptable, something thats upto you to decide. The biggest reson for this to do it now is due ISK stocking. When the amount of isk that an allaice gains is soo high that they can save up 500 billion isk a month, something must be serious wrong. When an alliance has over 10 Trillion in savings and gaining another 500 billion a month something is not right.... Expecialy when it is publicly known that CCP employees have high ranks in that allaince. A serious Public Image Threat for you marketing department and your customer base.


I agreed with you up until you offered your solution. The correct solution in a sandbox game is to change the rules of the sandbox not to artificially inject things into the market for reasons of "stability" or "fairness". For the entire life of EVE there have been massive imbalances in the game mechanics. Perhaps the game mechanics can be balanced and iterated on in a way that makes things better and does not create another super imbalance like Tech did. The fact that Tech has not been balanced in 4? years simply blows my mind.
Dave stark
#7 - 2012-07-08 14:30:00 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
TL;DR

Goons and pals control all the tech, and I can't be arsed to do anything about it.

Want that tech? take it, just like they did. :effort: :teamwork: Evil


i think the point the op was trying to make is that they've had it that long they're too well resourced/dug in/whatever.

which just makes me wonder why nobody tried to do any thing sooner?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-07-08 14:33:28 UTC  |  Edited by: dexington
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
If only 10% of high sec dwellers were to form an alliance, they would likely out number even the largest null sec alliance by 7 to 1.


Judging from the public opinion on the forum, you are better off staying in empire. The 0.0 population use to much time complaining about how bad everything is in 0.0, empire seem like a nice place why would anyone leave?

Living in empire means more time to shoot at red dots and less time complaining on the forums, and you don't have to take part in the space politics, which seems to be mostly posting on the forums about how great you corp/alliance is, and how terrible everyone else is.

There is probably only two ways to get 10% to leave empire space, the carrot or the whip. Seeing how there is nothing that comes close to being a carrot, nothing is happening unless ccp nerf empire space to hell.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#9 - 2012-07-08 14:33:40 UTC
Confirming that tech moons are mined for pure isk, and not technetium.
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-08 14:36:11 UTC
I just think the tech should move around. I don't like the idea of fixed assets at fixed locations at all. Tech needs to fade out of one region and fade into another over time. Then you'll see a more dynamic null-sec.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#11 - 2012-07-08 14:38:07 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
I just think the tech should move around. I don't like the idea of fixed assets at fixed locations at all. Tech needs to fade out of one region and fade into another over time. Then you'll see a more dynamic null-sec.


This is what happens when npc corp alts of high sec carebears suggest changes to null sec mechanics.
Dersk
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-08 14:44:01 UTC
forestwho wrote:
This is not about nerfing tech, this is about injecting sooo much isk in an alliance by broken game mechannics that it is impossible to counter them in several arms races.


So that explains why no one could dislodge alliances like Morsus Mihi, White Noise., Raiden., RAZOR, and Mostly Harmless from their tech moons. I was wondering.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-08 14:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
Rene Fullchest wrote:
Well, you know, it's not like CCP just gave all the tech to the CFC. We fought for it, took it, and hold it.

Not our problem that we were good enough to do so, nor is it CCP's.

If you truly feel that you, no one, will ever be able to take enough to compete, you should probably unsubscribe, because we certainly are not going to stop defending it.


Don't say we. You are no Goon, you are a lowly pet. There was no we, Goons fought for it and took it. Your masters just threw you a bone as condolences for all the rug burns on your knees.

Also Goons give themselves more credit than they deserve. They were greatly inferior to BOB and couldn't beat them. That's why they had to basically cheat (even if not violating EULA) by, infiltrating the corp and disassembling from the inside. Goons would of never been able to beat BOB in a normal war, and they know that too. If they thought for even a second they could win they wouldn't have destroyed BOB in one fell swoop with no shots fired. Why take away your biggest target if you think you can beat them? Because they knew they had zero chance.
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#14 - 2012-07-08 15:01:03 UTC
Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.)
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#15 - 2012-07-08 15:02:15 UTC
No one believed that BoB could be taken down, and then someone did a left click of a mouse and proved them wrong.

Null sec should have elements worth fighting for. So, the problem is not the elements, but the fact that no one has the balls to take it for themselves.

That, is EVE.

Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.

When you really look at the facts; Goonswarm do not have anything of value.

AK

This space for rent.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-07-08 15:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
KrakizBad wrote:
Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.)


Oh did I make the Goon lap dog angry? Know how I know you're angry? When people get angry and have no real argument they like to point out that I am in an NPC corp.


AlleyKat wrote:
No one believed that BoB could be taken down, and then someone did a left click of a mouse and proved them wrong.



BoB was never 'taken down' really. No one ever beat them in a war. They got infiltrated, robbed and disbanded. To think a second person would ever do something as stupid as give director roles to an enemy is delusional. I don't understand how it happened just one time. But I assure you the Goons are not going to make the same mistake. Using BoB as an example of how big alliances fall is not a good example.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#17 - 2012-07-08 15:04:17 UTC
CCP need to properly balance tech distribution

but wont / promises to, but it'll be one of those things we dont see for two years

what else is new
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#18 - 2012-07-08 15:04:21 UTC
Exactly like your "winning by never undocking," I am "angry."
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-07-08 15:04:30 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
KrakizBad wrote:
Tell me more about how SoCo works, oh NPC alt forum warrior. (PS. I'm sorry you would get fined for posting with your main.)


Oh did I make the Goon lap dog angry? Know how I know you're angry? When people get angry and have no real argument they like to point out that I am in an NPC corp.


You also have really bad opinions. Does that count as a "real argument?"
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-07-08 15:05:33 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Only difference is that BoB actually had the respect and the money, instead of just the money.


BoB. Respect?

Ow. My sense of irony just sprained itself.
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