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Exilon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-03 14:04:20 UTC
Well,

it's pretty clear that armor hacs don't work in EVE anymore. Not as a counter and not as an alpha fleet. In a niche maybe... but in nullsec warfare it's pointless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBWnAo63cH8&feature=player_embedded

Loki's ... billion isk armor hacs. This video shows -A- who are ordinarly reasonably good PVP-ers trying a Loki "armor hac" doctrine and learning the hard what what the rest of eve has already known for the last 18 months. The reign of the armor hac is over.

You guys really need to read the release notes......

Ex-
Ayla Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-07-03 14:37:35 UTC
Exilon wrote:
Well,

it's pretty clear that armor hacs don't work in EVE anymore. Not as a counter and not as an alpha fleet. In a niche maybe... but in nullsec warfare it's pointless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBWnAo63cH8&feature=player_embedded

Loki's ... billion isk armor hacs. This video shows -A- who are ordinarly reasonably good PVP-ers trying a Loki "armor hac" doctrine and learning the hard what what the rest of eve has already known for the last 18 months. The reign of the armor hac is over.

You guys really need to read the release notes......

Ex-




Don't give -A- advice, they'll just mock you and go "didn't want those Loki's anyways"

Also, if they want to welp 50B worth of Lokis into a drake gang that is worth maybe a quarter of their fleet, it's time for -A- to move aside, it's called Darwinism.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-04 02:44:03 UTC
Unfortunately the OP's point is sad but true :(

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Suqq Madiq
#4 - 2012-07-04 04:18:35 UTC
Exilon wrote:
Loki's ... billion isk armor hacs. This video shows -A- who are ordinarly reasonably good PVP-ers trying a Loki "armor hac" doctrine and learning the hard what what the rest of eve has already known for the last 18 months. That 400 man Drake blobs roflstomp 100 man Armor gangs.

You guys really need to read the release notes......

Ex-



FYP.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2012-07-04 09:32:52 UTC
Well, the commonly accepted counter to armor hacs is BC. So... yeah. OP has it right.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Yabba Addict
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-04 11:23:50 UTC
You see a Drake fleet, you bring BS fleets. You see BS fleets you bring AHAC fleets. You see AHAC fleets you bring Drake fleets. Still viable, but only with a BS fleet
Arnst Atram
Downgraded Avengers
Hard Knocks Citizens
#7 - 2012-07-04 12:02:24 UTC
Null Politics and relative effectiveness of AHACs aside, what exactly do you expect to see when one fleet is outnumbered more than 3 to 1?
Ayla Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-05 08:28:40 UTC
Arnst Atram wrote:
Null Politics and relative effectiveness of AHACs aside, what exactly do you expect to see when one fleet is outnumbered more than 3 to 1?

Well if -A- had cyno'd in some blap dreads, it would have maybe been interesting, but they did not. It is kind of funny, because -A- was stationary, waiting for the drake gang to pounce on them. There should have been more prep on the part of -A-, i.e. a "go to hell" plan. **** poor planning = welpfleet.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-07-05 10:21:09 UTC
Ugh im so behind the times these days... what fleet do we fly these days? what was last weeks?

Give it a couple of months and AHAC's will have a use again

No Worries
Exilon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-05 11:26:57 UTC
Suqq Madiq wrote:


FYP.


Ach.... you need to learn how to read battle reports.

Last night was epic for both sides, though, an seriously a LOT of fun!

Makalu undocked fleet after fleet after fleet and thrust its proberbial chest onto our pixelated speer. I don't even know how many ships were lost but it was in the hundreds... and many on both sides..... We podded him at least three times and still he kept coming.

Thankfully for him he stopped bringing Loki's (quicker to just undock and self-destruct), but he's still willing to bring his Tier-3 BC lambs to the slaughter.

I know I'm not supposed to give you advice mate, but next time, keep aligned and try to kite.

<3 Makalu.... good for our KB stats. whenever you're FC'ing a fleet I'll be sure to get in. You never say no to a fight. You're like a sex slave screaming through the apple in his mouth, "TAKE ME TAKE ME TAKE ME". and after the fact you blame everyone ... Us .... your own fleet .... spies (even though you were the one with spies on our comms last night and you knew it wasn't mutual) .... and even "luck" ..... Best entertainment in EVE... Keep it coming.

You know you need to get lucky and win a fight soon to restore your guys' confidence, don't you? At this rate they'll be asking Evildead to take over for you......

LOL

Ex-
Exilon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-05 11:46:48 UTC
Arnst Atram wrote:
Null Politics and relative effectiveness of AHACs aside, what exactly do you expect to see when one fleet is outnumbered more than 3 to 1?


It's a good question. The battle reports on eve-kill are compiled based on location and kill mails. If an extended fight happens where people re-ship and reinforcements make kills in the same system it often doesn't represent what was *actually* on grid together.

When we ploughed in to that loki fleet my impression was that odds were fairly even and I actually didn't think we were going to win. but kiting is the Drake's strong point and the loki fleet were too slow (and/or unable due to bubbles) to get off grid fast enough... After all... it's a cruiser sized ship and we were literally killing them faster than we could lock them up.

What you have to understand is that null-sec fleets reach a critical mass at which having logistics is pointless. The problem the enemy fleet was having is that ships were dying faster than logistics could lock them up. With no ability to kite and no ability to run and having their dps limited by us being able to kite outside of their optimal, it was like shooting fish in a barrel.

Ex-
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club
#12 - 2012-07-08 01:43:07 UTC
From what I can tell, they didn't utilize the ships properly. Armor hacs always gotta be moving and have some AB to mitigate missile damage.

Also gotta have some battleships form smartbomb firewalls to destroy the missiles and render the dps of the drakes useless.

-A- Tengus are poorly utilize, they don't use the range and targetting capabilities of the tengu very well. A proper tengu fleet should maintain a 100km range from the drakes and fire away. The drakes won't be able to touch you.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-08 02:47:09 UTC
Pink Marshmellow wrote:
-A- Tengus are poorly utilize, they don't use the range and targetting capabilities of the tengu very well. A proper tengu fleet should maintain a 100km range from the drakes and fire away. The drakes won't be able to touch you.


They burn out of range (seriously) more often than not. The reason you actually see some die is that they are 100MN AB fit and get caught by Huginns with 100km web range.