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Heavy Electron Blasters vs. AB frigates
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Jeanova
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-07-07 16:27:35 UTC
I'm trying to get some 1v1 on my 1600mm heavy electron blaster Thorax, met a Wolf today, scrammed-webbed him, he was under my optimal+falloff range (like 3-5km) - but I couldn't lay a single hit on him with my blasters ("completely misses" almost all the time). So, am I screwed against AB frigates (forgot to check his velocity, but I guess he was on ab), or am I doing something wrong?
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#2 - 2012-07-07 16:34:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lock out
What were your drones doing ? Also try and move away from him a bit, maybe land a lucky shot with less transversal. Also, what ammo were you using ?
Jeanova
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-07-07 16:42:35 UTC
Drones were getting killed by him one by one, I was not fast enough to scoop-redeploy them, and they kinda missed him too. I was using Caldari Navy Antimatter. I tried to move away somewhat, but I heard when you turn your ship your tracking disrupts completely, so I tried to move straight line most of the time. He had a scram which turned off my MWD btw.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#4 - 2012-07-07 17:01:44 UTC
While the thorax does have some advantages (good dps, decent drone bay) , it lacks utility highs. A single neut would have raped him. It's usually rock paper scissors with 1v1s. Had you known you were going to fight a frig, you could have fitted undersized guns and/or 2 flights or warrior IIs.

Generally speaking, there is no win it all setup and you're always gonna struggle with medium guns against an ABing frig especially with loki bonuses on it's side. Best advice I can give is pick your fights more carefully or/and at least have a flight of ec-600s , they work well both as ecm tank and get out of jail card.
Jeanova
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-07-07 17:24:48 UTC
Thanks for good advice, I'll think about it. He was kind enough and didn't kill me btw (it was second time we met), so thanks to him I havent lost another 40m worth of trying things out.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#6 - 2012-07-08 00:16:12 UTC
Jeanova wrote:
I'm trying to get some 1v1 on my 1600mm heavy electron blaster Thorax, met a Wolf today, scrammed-webbed him, he was under my optimal+falloff range (like 3-5km) - but I couldn't lay a single hit on him with my blasters ("completely misses" almost all the time). So, am I screwed against AB frigates (forgot to check his velocity, but I guess he was on ab), or am I doing something wrong?

He prolly got under your guns which any good wolf pilot will attempt. game over

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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#7 - 2012-07-08 02:16:31 UTC
Jeanova wrote:
I'm trying to get some 1v1 on my 1600mm heavy electron blaster Thorax, met a Wolf today, scrammed-webbed him, he was under my optimal+falloff range (like 3-5km) - but I couldn't lay a single hit on him with my blasters ("completely misses" almost all the time). So, am I screwed against AB frigates (forgot to check his velocity, but I guess he was on ab), or am I doing something wrong?


If your opt is 3km, the second an AB frig is 2.9Km you DPS drops off. Burning to 0 in a blaster boat is not the best idea despite so many pilot doing it. If your opt is 3km and your fall off 5km, then try being at 3.2-4.5km. Also a Rax I believe gets 50m3 drones space, bring Warriors and Web drones. the little extra webbing will help.

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NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#8 - 2012-07-08 02:32:21 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:

If your opt is 3km, the second an AB frig is 2.9Km you DPS drops off. Burning to 0 in a blaster boat is not the best idea despite so many pilot doing it. If your opt is 3km and your fall off 5km, then try being at 3.2-4.5km. Also a Rax I believe gets 50m3 drones space, bring Warriors and Web drones. the little extra webbing will help.



To clarify, your applied dps doesn't decrease unless he keeps a transversal velocity, and maintains it as he gets closer, thereby quickly increasing the angular velocity to a point where you can no longer keep up as well. If the ship is stationary or moving straight towards or away from you you will be dealing the exact same damage at 0.3km as 2.9km as 3km assuming your optimal is 3km.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#9 - 2012-07-08 02:48:01 UTC
NoNah wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:

If your opt is 3km, the second an AB frig is 2.9Km you DPS drops off. Burning to 0 in a blaster boat is not the best idea despite so many pilot doing it. If your opt is 3km and your fall off 5km, then try being at 3.2-4.5km. Also a Rax I believe gets 50m3 drones space, bring Warriors and Web drones. the little extra webbing will help.



To clarify, your applied dps doesn't decrease unless he keeps a transversal velocity, and maintains it as he gets closer, thereby quickly increasing the angular velocity to a point where you can no longer keep up as well. If the ship is stationary or moving straight towards or away from you you will be dealing the exact same damage at 0.3km as 2.9km as 3km assuming your optimal is 3km.



True, but I assume people already know this so left it out. Guess I should add, that your Overview has many helpful things in it, besides ship and pilot names. Spend a little time playing with the your settings as you'll soon find yourself with more options, or at lease a better understand of your limited ones.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#10 - 2012-07-09 17:38:40 UTC
Jeanova wrote:
I'm trying to get some 1v1 on my 1600mm heavy electron blaster Thorax, met a Wolf today, scrammed-webbed him, he was under my optimal+falloff range (like 3-5km) - but I couldn't lay a single hit on him with my blasters ("completely misses" almost all the time). So, am I screwed against AB frigates (forgot to check his velocity, but I guess he was on ab), or am I doing something wrong?

Couple things you can do, one is to fit up light neutron blasters instead (and tank your thorax up even more). The other is to use ec- drones to jam him. Once you have jammed him you can burn out a little bit (assuming you have a mwd) to get better tracking on him.

Otherwise, avoid engaging assault frigates without a good plan (that mostly involves energy neutralizers) with a T1 cruiser. If you're Gallente, vexor is usually a better option because it already has a utility high slot.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#11 - 2012-07-09 21:11:11 UTC
Jeanova wrote:
I'm trying to get some 1v1 on my 1600mm heavy electron blaster Thorax, met a Wolf today, scrammed-webbed him, he was under my optimal+falloff range (like 3-5km) - but I couldn't lay a single hit on him with my blasters ("completely misses" almost all the time). So, am I screwed against AB frigates (forgot to check his velocity, but I guess he was on ab), or am I doing something wrong?


use medium ecm drones, once he loses lock on you, you can get some breathing room pulsing your mwd, and you can hit him as he tries to close range.

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Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-07-10 07:46:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Halete
I've had a Thorax drop a Blaster for a Neut, whilst fielding a web and Warriors.

Gave me a pretty beautiful time in a SAR Frig.

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Deerin
East Trading Co Ltd
#13 - 2012-07-10 12:49:34 UTC
5x warrior II's 5x Hornet ECM's. Use ECM drones to get a jam so you can pull away for aon overheated MWD burst. Once at 5k begin hitting...though you'll still have problems due to signature size etc.