EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

Hi fellow spacepilots.

So after our fight today where we fielded 41p vs a 36p we found out that the intentional handicap rules seems to have changed. How we've ran with it before is by fielding less than 50p and if we win, we gain those points due to intentionally handicapping ourselves.

Now people are telling us because the other team fielded less points than us, we're not getting any bonuses for intentionally handicapping ourselves.

I have a problem with this due to the implications this has. If this is the case, the metagaming will be taking on a directly hurtful direction of the tournament as it allows teams in for example the second round to completely take another team out of the tournament by only fielding a frigate. That would make a team that didnt get points in the first round near completely unable to go through unless they made a deal with their opponents. Yes.. EvE is about shady deals and metagaming a whole lot, but taking the entire third days matches out of the equation will make for bad television too.

The way it used to work (unless I've misunderstood something) is that you got the points you kill + the points they didn't field + the points below 50 you field (the intentional handicap). This means that you get interesting fights while maintaining the metagaming in trying to field as little points as possible while still being able to win.

I don't know if this thread will change anything. Me and my team feel cheated on the fact that we "had to" do deals in a competitive tournament to stand a chance in the qualifications. Just feels like such a horribly **** way of being taken out of the tournament when we actually go out and field less than 50 points into the fight.

Not meant to be a rant, but if there's any chance of having this fixed or otherwise changed maybe to next year.. Please for the love of all that is holy or otherwise, do.

I think it is also important to note that this handicap rule is not mentioned in the "Rules" page on the alliance tournament website, but buried at the bottom of the "format" page. Not a very common place to check for victory conditions.

I would need to double check the rules, but the way I thought I read them and understood them when they came out was that the points in qualifiers you didn't field would go to the other team. That is unless they changed in the past month. If the other team fields less points, you will get the difference.

Victory Conditions
1.During a match, a team scores points for each enemy ship it kills, equal to the tournament points value of that ship. The team that has scored the most points at the conclusion of the match, or that destroys the entire opposing team, is the winner.
2.If a team chooses to field less than 100 points, non-fielded points count towards the opponent's score.
◦This rule applies to the 50 point limit during Pre-Qualifying, not 100 points.

While that would be possible indeed, there would have to be a deal made volountarily between the two teams that allowed one of the teams to win the match. The current rules allow for sabotaging someones chances to go through in a non-consensual way and would then force teams to make deals so that this didn't happen.

Also keep in mind that a team that fields a frigate twice in a row and concedes to a loss won't go through since wins count before losses and they can't be sure to meet a team willing to make a deal in the second round either.

no you're wrong about that Alekseyev
and OP; "we found out that the intentional handicap rules seems to have changed."

sorry but it has never changed you simply didn't read the rules well enough

From the rules;

"If a team begins the match with less points value worth of ships than their opponent, and wins the match, they score extra ranking points equal to the difference in the two teams' values."

This is the way it's been in every tournament that has had a handicap rule.

http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament/format

http://at.eve-ic.net/9/index.php?view=match&id=37

With this being my sixth tournament fielding/running a team this has been the way we've always ran against the rules and not noticed it happening in any other way before.

http://community.eveonline.com/events/alliances/tournament/t9/format.asp

Same rules last time, you've just never read that part all these years I guess Ladel ?

My biggest worry going into this last match was that Pure Madness. would bring a handicap setup, guess I should've been more worried about nanofibers on tengus :[

You know I hate to point out the obvious here. If you would of done better in your first round you would not have to worry about these rules. The Hail Mary is a last resort of a losing team. The rule is a good rule and a fair one.

The language hasn't changed from 9. At all.

:edit: efb by Tyrrax hi5