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L4 Mission rewards are a joke
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Shivanthar
#1 - 2012-07-07 09:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivanthar
First, sorry for my not-so-good English.

I always solo l4's with my vargur, killing everything and salvaging/looting at the same time. In this way missions top up to 100 mil. per run (occasionally 30-50 mil per 'good' lvl4).

This morning I solo'd worlds collide(serp/gurist ver.). In the guristas base, during wrestling, I noticed one "Pith Massacrer" has a bounty of 1.162.500 ISK. It took me around 30 seconds to kill this guy (maybe a little less). I just "teared things apart" and killed all those guys. The bounty I got was "27 mil". Warped from one room to another and mission took around 30-35 min in total. With all things salvaged and looted, I returned to the station and completed it.

In the completion screen, the mission reward is written exactly as: "1.150.000". The bonus reward agent gave me is: "1.390.000". I mean, COME ON! If you do the basic math, that is only two more pith massacrer and a frigate/cruiser. This is like a joke. Just put 3-4 more ships and don't give that irritiating reward then. Rewards hardly corresponds to the ammo price I use, especially if I am using faction ammo. It just doesn't make me happy to solo a mission like that and get that reward at the end.

For those that do missions like crazy, agents awarding only 1 min. (maybe less) worth of their gameplay. Actually, the more mission lasts, the less "people become awarded". This should be changed. The consideration of the reward should be around more missioner-friendly stuff. What about faction ammo? Or even maybe more LP? You call it, because in its current state, rewards simply suck.

Note: I've 10.0 agent standing, with security connections 4 + negotiation 4

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2012-07-07 09:22:26 UTC
I hear you can just endlessly and mindlessly shoot at rats out in 0.0, sometimes faction ones spawn and you can get faction loot too! sounds like that's what you want to me

but I think mission rewards are more or less fine. don't forget the 9k or so lp you get for a worlds collide!

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Shivanthar
#3 - 2012-07-07 09:29:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Shivanthar
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
I hear you can just endlessly and mindlessly shoot at rats out in 0.0, sometimes faction ones spawn and you can get faction loot too! sounds like that's what you want to me


No, missioning is what I want, and nobody would shoot rats mindlessly in 0.0 with a Vargur. Marauders are the farthest thing you can go for solo-missioning in empire space. What I say is, the money and SP I invented in missioning doesn't return to me as reward.

Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

but I think mission rewards are more or less fine. don't forget the 9k or so lp you get for a worlds collide!


That reward only comes from thhe two battleships I shot. What is fine with this? LP is fine, but variety comes from isk, not lp (you've to spend isk to get your lp stuff too)

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Shivanthar
#4 - 2012-07-07 09:40:22 UTC
Moreover, the isk reward is not proportional to the LP reward too. If I call it correctly, It requires 5000 LP and 10 mil isk to get 10.000 ammo of any type. The reward is 6k+ lp (which is more than %100 of what I need), but ~2.5 mil isk (%25 of what I need). I don't know if I can draw the picture of my concern.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Hoshi
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#5 - 2012-07-07 09:52:24 UTC
The ship bounties are supposed to be a big part of the reward for the mission. Sure they could remove all the bounties and move it to the mission reward but then they would have to redesign most missions to be less blitzable to compensate.

If you prefer to get you money from the completion of the mission instead of killing the rats then do incursions instead. No rat bounties and higher completion rewards, just how you like it.

"Memories are meant to fade. They're designed that way for a reason."
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-07 10:08:13 UTC
mission rewards are just there as a way for a corperation to show there apresiation

the bountys are actualy placed on by concord.
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-07 10:09:59 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
during wrestling

dafuq
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#8 - 2012-07-07 14:16:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zor'katar
There are folks who blitz missions (in which case LP is a large proportion of their reward) and claim upwards of 200M ISK/hr. See, for example, this thread:

Estimated L4 ISK/Hour?

I don't do that, so I can't confirm how realistic it is. If it's anywhere near true, though, making the ISK and LP reward a bigger proportion of the overall income is just going to drive more people to that style of missioning, and leave folks like you (and me, usually) who like to loot and salvage everything even farther behind the curve.
Shivanthar
#9 - 2012-07-07 14:39:10 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
Shivanthar wrote:
during wrestling

dafuq


:))))

Yeah, jammed, tried to get lock, webbed, scrambled, killed one webber, jammed again, aaarghhh :))))

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Shivanthar
#10 - 2012-07-07 14:43:00 UTC
Zor'katar wrote:
There are folks who blitz missions (in which case LP is a large proportion of their reward) and claim upwards of 200M ISK/hr. See, for example, this thread:

Estimated L4 ISK/Hour?

I don't do that, so I can't confirm how realistic it is. If it's anywhere near true, though, making the ISK and LP reward a bigger proportion of the overall income is just going to drive more people to that style of missioning, and leave folks like you (and I, usually) who like to loot and salvage everything even farther behind the curve.


I knew it I knew it! :) There are people like me :P

I don't like blitzing, in contrast, I even read stories and between-warp-notices. I watch my ship closely, not from the 500km over the battlefield. More like RP style.

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#11 - 2012-07-07 20:09:45 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
I don't know if I can draw the picture of my concern.


you can't because you don't have one.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-07-07 20:12:49 UTC
what is that LP reward u are speaking of ? u get some money for earned LP or wat ?
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#13 - 2012-07-07 20:54:34 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
Zor'katar wrote:
There are folks who blitz missions (in which case LP is a large proportion of their reward) and claim upwards of 200M ISK/hr. See, for example, this thread:

Estimated L4 ISK/Hour?

I don't do that, so I can't confirm how realistic it is. If it's anywhere near true, though, making the ISK and LP reward a bigger proportion of the overall income is just going to drive more people to that style of missioning, and leave folks like you (and I, usually) who like to loot and salvage everything even farther behind the curve.


I knew it I knew it! :) There are people like me :P

I don't like blitzing, in contrast, I even read stories and between-warp-notices. I watch my ship closely, not from the 500km over the battlefield. More like RP style.


I'm there in the no blitz camp for several reasons:

- Jamming rats... if you are perma-jamed for 15 minutes, you can't really blitz.
- Faction Standing Repair... Making friends with the rival faction over and over again takes time. That nerfs the ISK/hour ratio of blitz.
- Ninja Looters - Once you blitz, you become "Ninja Looter Friendly" and you are several times more likely to get ninja'd daily.
- LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right.


"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-07-07 21:06:53 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
what is that LP reward u are speaking of ? u get some money for earned LP or wat ?

you buy stuff for lp then sell it on the market. 8k lp can be worth anywhere from 4 million to 80 million ISK, depending on which items you use.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Taurich Vorsel
#15 - 2012-07-07 21:22:17 UTC
Shivanthar wrote:
The bounty I got was "27 mil"

That IS your reward

Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE!
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#16 - 2012-07-07 21:50:08 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:

- LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right.




5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec
4-AcO-DMT
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-07-07 21:52:55 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:

- LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right.




5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec



hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ?
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#18 - 2012-07-07 22:38:27 UTC
1mil is perfectly fine, considering you get 30mil from one room in the mission, +lp points at the end.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-07 22:59:16 UTC
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
MinefieldS wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:

- LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right.




5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec



hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ?

people will not tell you, nobody wants extra competition. it's not hard to figure out though, just look at the market prices of various items and do the math.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Constable Chang
#20 - 2012-07-08 02:14:30 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
4-AcO-DMT wrote:
MinefieldS wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:

- LP to ISK conversion is sometimes a joke. 5k LP = 10m ISK? Yeah right.




5k lp = 12.5m isk actually for highsec



hmm ive been doing l3s so far and i have about 10k lp now. what are the items that sell so high ?

people will not tell you, nobody wants extra competition. it's not hard to figure out though, just look at the market prices of various items and do the math.


Don't forget to factor in the opportunity cost of dealing with all the damn tags or manufacturing from bpc's.

Just as MIMAF = false so loyalty point conversions are not 'free' either.
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