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Down with Hans The Hat Jagerblitzen, we need a CSM that actually gives a damn

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Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-07-06 23:33:51 UTC
Thank you Hans

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#42 - 2012-07-07 00:16:23 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Hans
The only time I heard you talk about this was in relation to Susan Black's horribly biased idea that people should get lp for defensive plexing. You are not actually thinking of proposing that to ccp are you? That idea has come up several times and it gets shot down every time.


NO. Relax. Roll

Firstly, it was never about some self-serving defensive plex thing. Even if it WAS all about defensive payouts, that wouldn't make her biased. There have been individuals on all four sides of the conflict that have advocated LP-for defensive plexing in some fashion or another, there's no reason to twist it into a partisan issue.

Secondly, you're still missing the point of her proposal, Susan was simply trying to address the need for an incentive to upgrade and defend *specific* systems, instead of just counting them collectively for points. Yes, WZ points are a powerful incentive, but it doesnt make defending Auga more important than Amamake. That sense of individual importance is sorely lacking, hence the systems traded freely cause no one cares about them other than for a point count. CCP was *trying* to instill the sense of individual value through the system upgrades, but its just not quite there yet.

As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.

o7

-Hans has left the building

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary

Suqq Madiq
#43 - 2012-07-07 04:23:47 UTC
OP is definitely not a Pinky Feldman alt. Nope. Not one bit. Roll
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#44 - 2012-07-07 05:26:10 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Getting issues like the plexing bug resolved, and the e-war removal that was release last week, have been recent efforts that speak for themselves in terms of success - these were objectives I was both clear about and delivered upon.

CCP has gone through the motions every five to six months since the beginning trying to squash the timer bug (has consistently been tied to the damn timer so must be related) and Amarr/Gallente have been bitching and moaning about eWar being one of the major imbalances .. also since the beginning.

So not sure its proper to take credit for those as all it has probably required is mentioning it in passing and pointing to threads Big smile
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Essentially the lack of a reason to defend space...

Goddess yes.

I suggested that CCP should be forced to play the game or consult the playbase if they don't feel their knowledge of working mechanics is up to par before planning changes. Wouldn't even have to be a public thing (ex. F&I forum) but a series of virtual (ex. skype) roundtables on invite basis or something should suffice for most things.
They clearly have very little experience with the inner working of FW (alternative is that they are just daft/malicious), which is why I personally is rather irate as we have spammed issues and suggestions for fixes since forever but the recent changes only include the "latest" portion of it (ie. Farmers lamentations).

They have already admitted that they don't get to play as often as they might like, which is shame as a spreadsheet does not really convey the tedium involved with mining, orbiting, grinding EHP or any other of the multitude of things that one has to see/feel/experience to believe in this sandbox of ours.
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-07-07 07:12:08 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
Jut be more visible on the forums.

My Name is Hans I am trying to push A, B, C and D and this is why. The more visible and clear you are the less threads like this you will get where you are blamed for everything under the sun.

Dont get me wrong I am not against you. I am against silence though. a CSM represantative that is not clear or vocal untill vote time is not a CSM I would want to support.

Be more visible and your plans, actions more visible. We all love minutes but dont let the minutes be the only thing that speaks for you.

This is a topic I have discussed with Hans. He needs to have something that lists what he is working on, has achieved and intends to pursue so people can follow his actions and judge reasonably how he has gone with his time on the CSM

Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#46 - 2012-07-07 07:59:29 UTC
Hans, such a damn politician.

Back when he posted a 20 page PDF full of nothing particularly useful and called for all other "highsec candidates" to "search their hearts" and withdraw because he was the one that was going to win... I figured he was functionally useless, and I was disheartened when he made it onto the council regardless.

I just wish the FW candidate could have been more focused on FW and fixing it rather than playing political games and screwing around.

Lobbying for your right to delete your signature

The Medusa
suspended animations DOT
#47 - 2012-07-07 09:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: The Medusa
Othran wrote:
You lot (FW players) voted for him.

Deal with it.


I do not think votes counted this year.

Iam Widdershins wrote:
Hans, such a damn politician.

Back when he posted a 20 page PDF full of nothing particularly useful and called for all other "highsec candidates" to "search their hearts" and withdraw because he was the one that was going to win... I figured he was functionally useless, and I was disheartened when he made it onto the council regardless.

I just wish the FW candidate could have been more focused on FW and fixing it rather than playing political games and screwing around.


I do believe it took a few selected pilots from a NULL sec alliance to get the FW Status to level 5.
Maybe you should vote for them, because they understand game mechanics.
Lock out
Shadows Of The Federation
#48 - 2012-07-08 09:58:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lock out
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.

o7

-Hans has left the building



m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#49 - 2012-07-08 10:35:03 UTC
Lock out wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.

o7

-Hans has left the building



m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .


Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Lexmana
#50 - 2012-07-08 10:53:16 UTC
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Lock out wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.

o7

-Hans has left the building



m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .


Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first

It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM?
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#51 - 2012-07-08 11:04:58 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Lock out wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.

o7

-Hans has left the building



m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .


Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first

It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM?


But... he DOES post in Warfare and Tactics? What are you guys QQing about, I don't understand.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2012-07-08 11:17:20 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:

But... he DOES post in Warfare and Tactics? What are you guys QQing about, I don't understand.


I can't stand the CSM the whole concept is terrible none of that psuedo democratic crap represents me.

That Hans guy should shut up go sit in the corner and stop being the rubber stamp of legitimacy to the **** decisions CCP continues to make on a daily basis, so CCP can't keep claiming every fuckup was seen by the CSM first so lolololol it's not our fault it's terrible.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#53 - 2012-07-08 14:15:21 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:
Lock out wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

As for SRS BIZNESS FW talk, from this point on let's keep it to serious threads. This thread started as a stupid troll attempt, I've already given it more attention that it deserves, so this'll be my last post.....I'm happy to continue the conversation over in features and ideas where I have been hanging out.

o7

-Hans has left the building



m8m8m8 get your head out of your ass, pronto. Many ppl see this as the unofficial FW forum, and a lot of good ideeas or valid concerns are posted here, including in troll threads. If you wanna spend time only in features and ideeas, sure, by all means, but then don't wonder why you get called a selfabsorbedwannabespaceshippoliticianwithhisheadsofaruphisownassthathecouldlickhisownbellybuttonfrominside .


Maybe because its the area for proposing ideas, unlike here which seems to be the area for shitposting and missing the point. Pardon him for hanging out in the place where he can get useful stuff without having to filter the chestbeating and stealth whines first

It is the right place to propose ideas that may be implemented within the next two-three years. Sure it is a good place to dream and speculate. But this is the place to listen to players current concerns. Wouldn't you expect that for an elected representative in the CSM?


You do realise reading up on players concerns doesnt actually require him to post anything?? Doubly so when some members seem to use every one of his posts as an excuse to attack him.

I'll agree that yes this is the discussion forum for faction warfare but we arent talking about discussions, we're tallking about concrete ideas and peoples opinions of said ideas, and that is where F&I comes in because thats what its for.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

you're welcome

Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2012-07-09 02:47:20 UTC
man you guys **** on your CSM What?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#55 - 2012-07-09 18:09:25 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
man you guys **** on your CSM What?
Old habits die hard. We live in low sec. We kill everything that moves. Big smile
Loki Vice
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-07-09 23:37:09 UTC
I think if Hans actually opened up communications publicly with CEO's of ALL factions and has a discussion about the state and FW, and actually presented it to CCP.... but nope

Because it's Hans
Cookies'n'Cream
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-07-10 17:47:38 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
I think if Hans actually opened up communications publicly with CEO's of ALL factions and has a discussion about the state and FW, and actually presented it to CCP.... but nope


I think if Loki actually paid attention to anything that was going on.....but nope.

Faction Warfare Round Table

Have you ever actually tried to talk to Hans? or do you just sit back and talk smack....
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#58 - 2012-07-11 09:11:55 UTC
I think Hans did not ruin FW, Hans actually did nothing.

But we can fuckup hans business by taking minmatar systems, grief him to madness and make him to beg CCP to change something.

Overall it is about player actions in game, stop talking, take minmatar plexes and soon we can see minmatar systems turning to vulnerable.

When there is enough bunkers to shoot at someone will be interested about those.

Every single plex is a drop at lake, but after long rain it starts flooding.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#59 - 2012-07-11 10:29:20 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Susan Black for CSM!!


I'd give Susan a vote!

(anybody who gets primaried before me has to be doing something right)


You just lost all credibility to me.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

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