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Ship sizes again
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Doctor Schmerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-10-09 05:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Schmerz
so, i'm working on some renderings and animations (including ships along people, buildings, etc).. however the scale of the ships really bugs me.

i made a rendering of the gallente shuttle and while the scale is correct in my scene it just looks so damn big.

Gallente Shuttle Scale RenderShocked

the shipview thing in eve says 82 m long axis whatever that means, most sources state the length as 50 or 52 m
but i come on 50m for a ship that has only 10m² cargo space but in reality could easily fit a hundred people?
are there definite statements from ccp regarding the ship sizes somewhere?

its not really that much of a problem it just always seems kinda ridiculous to me whenever i think about it..


oh btw the planes wingspan is exactly 10 m
Kaede Kimura
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-09 05:52:45 UTC
EVE has both: bags of holding and bags of unholding. That's right, a bag that's smaller in holding capacity than it's volume.
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-09 05:56:31 UTC
Kaede Kimura wrote:
EVE has both: bags of holding and bags of unholding. That's right, a bag that's smaller in holding capacity than it's volume.


well thats not reaaaally the point though ;)
Dario Kaelenter
ACME HARDWARE
#4 - 2011-10-09 06:00:38 UTC
I found these links a while back where someone had already compared ship sizes across a range of ships real and ficitonal ...

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/images/compilation.jpg

http://www.merzo.net/ Non Eve ships tho
Arklan1
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-10-09 06:01:27 UTC
flying in space engies are big things, for going ftl, maybe? honestly i don't think there's anything more offcial then what you see in the preview window.

also, great render.
Dario Kaelenter
ACME HARDWARE
#6 - 2011-10-09 06:08:52 UTC
Or even this one ... http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/SFC/EVE-ships_large.jpg


Tho some ships in Eve seems to be mostly structure and subsystems so may not leave too much space for holding much like people .... especially as they often need to do more than just fly faster than light hehe
Lord Meriak
State Naval Academy
#7 - 2011-10-09 06:09:21 UTC
Why compare to a light aircraft.

scale v the space shuttle crew of 7.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#8 - 2011-10-09 06:13:27 UTC
Doctor Schmerz wrote:
the shipview thing in eve says 82 m long axis whatever that means, most sources state the length as 50 or 52 m
but i come on 50m for a ship that has only 10m² cargo space but in reality could easily fit a hundred people?
are there definite statements from ccp regarding the ship sizes somewhere?
For one, long axis doesn't measure anything — it's a pointless and worthless stat that should be ignored. The ship charts people have made from the actual models are far more accurate.

Secondly, how do you know it could easily fit a hundred people? Do you know how much space a pod interface takes? How much space a warp engine requires? How much the sensors and autopilot electronics take? What about crew space and amenities and food and other necessities? Etc etc. These ships can stay in space indefinitely — that's an awful lot of breakfast cereal that needs to be hauled… Blink

Also, this.

With shuttles, it's not all that strange — it becomes really wierd with carriers, which can carry ships umpteen times their size, and with freighters, which are supposed to be dedicated haulers and which only carry a pitiful amount of cargo compared to their enormous bulk.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#9 - 2011-10-09 08:44:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Dario Kaelenter wrote:
I found these links a while back where someone had already compared ship sizes across a range of ships real and ficitonal ...

http://izlin.free.fr/eve/images/compilation.jpg

http://www.merzo.net/ Non Eve ships tho

Very nice link!!

Also some great looking (symmetrical) ships on the right side! P

And yes I also wondered about the super tiny cargo spaces on EVE ships. Look at for instance (a lot smaller) Star Trek ships that have huge cargo bays that can launch several shuttles. EVE ship's cargo bays seem artificially small in comparison, they're as big as a 30 storey building but with a cargospace not even the size of a single house?!
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#10 - 2011-10-09 08:56:38 UTC
Arklan1 wrote:
flying in space engies are big things, for going ftl, maybe? honestly i don't think there's anything more offcial then what you see in the preview window.

also, great render.

And then look at the pod. It can do everything the shuttle can, minus the cargo space, Yet it's only 4m tall.

Makes you wonder how far advanced jove tech actually is.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#11 - 2011-10-09 08:56:59 UTC
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-09 16:39:25 UTC
yeah i've seen that chart too..
and regarding the technical side, what kind of huge technology there could be in the ship:

the shuttles feel extra wrong since there are frigates that can carry hundrets of m³, are as fast and even smaller in size.

and the pricetag? a shuttle costs like 10k, what other thing could you buy for 10k in relation to the scrapmetal value a 50m long ship must actually have.

also the details in the textures suggest smaller ship sizes, they are just not as fine as the scale would need them to be (yeah i know thats due to the maximum texture resolution you can have but still makes it feel off)
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2011-10-09 17:57:13 UTC
Try putting 2 BS's in a carrier.

If we wanted it closer to reality then about the only thing that could go in a carrier would be frigates and shuttles.
The Orca and the Rorqual also fail completely when you start break it down.

And even if you could repackage a ship and shove it in.
It would take forever to put it back together.

Sometimes it is better not to ask to many questions or pick things apart too much.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2011-10-09 18:48:02 UTC
Simetraz wrote:

Sometimes it is better not to ask to many questions or pick things apart too much.


yeah i guess
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-10-09 19:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Doctor Schmerz wrote:
Simetraz wrote:

Sometimes it is better not to ask to many questions or pick things apart too much.


yeah i guess


Sigh lawn is done.
Now that being said, that is internal space.
Considering ships are already space worthy.
IF the carriers had external docking rigs.
THen you could dock a BS or 2 EXTERNALLY

AND MAYBE, YOU LISTENING CCP.
Take the pilot and ship along for the ride through a CYNO.

Hmm may time for another post in idea's section.

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Doomheim
#16 - 2011-10-09 19:35:18 UTC
Fixing sizes would really help the eve "size" issue =)
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#17 - 2011-10-09 21:58:43 UTC
Could you render one of the fighters like that? I'd be really interested in seeing the scale of those ships, maybe even against say an F-16 or X-Wing etc. The important thing with all of those is you have the human figure visible in each to match the scales with one another. From there you can base the Shuttle scale off of that.
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-10-09 22:06:14 UTC
you mean the fighter drones?
ColdCutz
Frigonometry
#19 - 2011-10-09 22:20:32 UTC
That's right. The Templar or Dragonfly, etc.
Doctor Schmerz
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-10 00:01:40 UTC
ok i included a gallente fighter into the rendering:

Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Scale

and that was pretty revealing since the fighter has a little pilot sitting in the cockpit.
now the pilot is about 2 times the size of a normal human which means IF a person ingame is supposed to be human sized all the ships would actually be only half the size stated in most documents.

e.g. the gallente shuttle would only be 25 instead of 50 m and it would look something like that:

Gallente Shuttle & Fighter Corrected (Half) Scale

that way it looks much more believable to me
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