EVE General Discussion

Its not possible to have an online system that limits "one per person". The very best scenario you can have is 1 per IP. Just sayin you missed that part.

As long as you don't post any API key there is NO PROOF of you receiving any winnings or beeing unassociated with the Site owner.

Replacement 234 responds:
Well I guess you have NO PROOF for your acusation. Does that even matter to you? Interesting you should mention NO PROOF. I don't know or even care, where you live, but in my country people are innocent until proven guilty and we rely on courts to do that, at least a compentent neutral organization which has no stake in the outcome, but certainly not web sites run by someone who asked for a 49 billion payoff (49 billion? bizare number) not to put lies in his bio to ruin a respected ongoing enterprise. And that proof is available. We don't rely on a web source with an agenda and with little or no realiable history to offer up thngs with no provenance as evidence for mobs of conspiracy ready readers to launch lynching parties. It is the court system or a competent neutral party which must present untarnished evidence with a trail of evidentuary security which must prove guilt, not the accused who must prove innocence. I have seen no such reliable neutral body offer up any reliable evidence of any wrong doing on my part. I do not yield to conspiracy theorists, usubstantiated accusations or to slander mongers. I will fully comply with any competent authority which has questions about events in which I may have been involved. Until then I will be happy to live under the quite tiny and insidnificant shadow of doubt you and others like you may try to cast over me. As I have explained ad nauseum, the release of my API will compromise many other players for whom I have acted as a mediator when players wanted anonymity during a transaction with other players. CCP would be the authority to investigate that and I welcome any such investigation you could provoke them to initiate. I await them, but not you are anyone like you.

to be continued in a later post

Thank you CCP for having a forum which eats posts and then won't let you know if you are double posting when you put up the copy every forum poster knows is essential.

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Replacement 234 replies:
You are way out on a limb on this one. BTW the are called Blinks, not Bings, it is small error but it points to an overall lack of attention to detail, just as your Ponzi Schemi reference did earlier. It is always helpful to decide which conspiracy you think you have found before you start casting accusations. I will address your second point first. It is obvious that you have bunched a lot of accusations together as my character was created long before the blink account was initiated making that accusation a non-issue for me. It has been explained quite well by many others in this thread. Once again, lack of attention to detail, or maybe you just followed a link given you and this is the wrong thread. It always helps to do some homework before you decide to tar and feather someone. I will say that my blink account was created and initially financed quite plushly by another character of mine who I later determined needed to be used in another area and asked Blink to switch the account from one character to another. Now this addresses two points in the porridge of accusations; specifically the one for which I will now offer a second reason why the accusation was specious. A question was asked how I, replacement 234 could afford to blink as I have blinked. The question revolved around a post I made while acting as a mediator to buy a character and told the seller I only had 9 billion ISK. The unknown buyer was the one with only 9 billion ISK, not I, as I had considerably more Isk at that time. Now when I took over this blink account from another character I own who nicely financed it and of course left it all behind as a blink player may not withdraw ISK, only redeem a won prize for ISK. I will not reveal how many charcters I own, CCP is quite aware of it, but I will tell you anyone one of them could easily produce Isk in numbers well over 9 billion Isk. Will I tell you how I got it? No, petition me for being amply supplied with Isk and I will be glad to answer any questions CCP may have as they pore over my voluminous records.

On the first part of your accusation. To date I have made 20,901 blinks and won 7,435. I'll do the math for you, so that means I have lost 13,466 blinks which is a far greater number than 7,435. Some shill, can't even win half the time. Remember my strategy was to buy 12 of 16 tickets letting me own 75% of the available chances to win. Clearly I was not working under that strategy the whole time. If I owned 75% of the tickets, ask yourself how much the theory of probability would let me win, as I, being merely human, don't know and gee - that is why they call it gambling.

You make an accusation that I cannot address when you introduce how much Isk I lost on each item when I lost a blink. To determine that I would have to know how many tickets I bought on each of my now 20,901 blinks. I would also have to know how many of the 13,466 lost blinks were for Moros, orcas, Harpies or any of the nearly 200 different prizes blink offers. And just for the record, I have won every prize offered by blink as proven by my list of achievements. Blink changes the ship values as the markets move and that changes ticket prices, so I would have to know all previous ticket prices and the exact moment they changed as it could have changed between two moros blinks, so I would need a time date stamp on each loss and I am not sure that even exists. Blink has no downtime operating from their own server BTW what was the exact mileage (to the ternth) on your car at these 13,466 different times and dates?

As to the first part of the accusation, the problem is like one of those pesky word problem found in some math text books except those text books give you all the data you need. It is clear that you want me to do your homewprk for you and I will not. I cannot give you the data you need and even if I could I would not. There is one more reason that permeates my being when confronted by people who virtually walk up to me on the street, quizzing me about what is my personal business as you have done. It is absolutely none of your business until you own CCP. You have no right to demand to know anything beyond the public record. You can have your doubts and your fears and your Tinfoil Belief Society agendas all you like. But by God, you will not have a piece of my personal information unless I decide to release it to you. Petition the the hell out of me or go to hell, I don't care.

I will not waste my time with another baseless assumption of wrong doing. I will be glad to fully cooporate with CCP should they choose ask me any questions. The rest of you nosy conspiracy behind every tree types can just pull your tinfool hats down to your asses and inhale deeply.

wow. skimmed over most of the thread...

(and as a background note, I was away from the game for most of this character's existence. came back a few months ago)

in a way I "get" people who regard the fact that its gambling to fundamentally define it as a scam. and in a sense, for that angle... well ok. it is gambling, and they DO make money hand over fist. thats a given.

honestly if I had stopped after the first day of trying out blink, I might have thought it might be a little rigged. but I gave it a little more of a chance, and felt it was legit.

so far, I am well ahead. I have deposited to date, exactly 4.5b ISK. I've had about 620m ISK deposited in my wallet, I've won 3 promo's totaling to a bit over 2b worth, in addition to that I've received delivery of 13 PLEX, and probably about 2b worth of ships (in addition to the promos)

so that means I've significantly more than doubled my money. and it being THAT low of return, is after including for some pretty harsh dry spells.

I feel like my "technique" minimizes my odds of getting into the red. and so far it seems to work. while I've in short term bursts, spend a few hundred million and come out with nothing... other times like earlier this week, I turn about 400m into 9 plex (in my hangar, not just theoretical).

the way I see it, why would they cheat, when they can make SO much money being perfectly legit? sure cheating might make them more money in the short term. but if they can make that much and more without cheating... its just more sustainable to NOT cheat.

oh and I, at least, try to avoid the impulse to get multiple tickets. just doesn't make sense if its stuff that moves quick enough to get just as many tickets spent on individual rolls.

Somer Blink trains up Damage Control II, news at 11.

As a common saying goes "lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math".

In a nutshell Blink is 'selling' items for 50% mark-ups. So for every item that is won in the lottery Blink gets this much profits. This fact alone tells you that by definition Blink 'wins' more than the players do. House always wins.

The fact that their lotteries are not transparent means that there is a possibility that some lotteries might be rigged (you could easily rig a couple % of lotteries and nobody would know).

Is Blink a scam?
It's not a scam directly because you will always get your winnings. So from this perspective it's not a scam.

But it's possible that there are more subtle ways of indirect scamming involved. Like mentioned before, they could be rigging let's say 1% of micro lotteries. Nobody would know and the already exorbitant profits would be even larger.

So yea, some people win money, while most of them lose it. If you won some decent ISK then gratz to you - but play 100x times more and you won't come out on top. It's basic math and probability.

Dev twitter outright said the largest ingame wallet, corp or personal, is 5.5T.

This thread, so far, has been a blog with a lot of flawed logic. A bunch of people that said they won a bunch and it's clearly not a scam. A bunch of people that said they lost a bunch and it's clearly a scam. A few people saying it would be stupid to scam with this, but there's no way to know either way objectively. The guy who runs the russian site that looks exactly like blink accusing blink of being RMT. Someone acting entitled to a stranger's API. And a few people who have never posted before this thread that have enough tinfoil to resurface the moon.

I have now summarized every post before and after this one.

Wallet size does not prove anything. If one is not "mostly-retired" as Akita T, it could just mean that Somer Blink is investing its ISK in assets.

Well, experience as a new and done user here.

Never heard of this before, but Kil2 was sponsored by them so I checked them out. Very slick In game browser site and easy to get carried away. I ended up blowing 750m ISK overall, but I have to say my overall winnings actually come out to an acceptable level. I mostly tried frigate and cruiser hulls but every once in a while I'd 'go big' on a Rorqual or something. My win rate on the small ships was well within statistical chance, but it pisses me off that the 'large ticket' items like said Rorquals and other caps always seemed to be played by 4-10 tickets of the same person. Sure it's a calculated risk on their part but with those odds, hell if I had billions to bankroll I sppose I would too.

At any rate, I can say my 750m therapy session is much the same as your average casino. I won a control tower and some other ships for over 400m, but got suckered in to play some more. This site is dangerously addicting, until you realize the millions you are clicking away are equating to hours of work. I don't even want to guess the profit margin the site operates at, but I can see how people with a real life prediliction to gambling addiction would end up losing it all here.

In summary, this site is no more evil than your local casino. Just gotta know your limits.