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How to get started in Minmatar / Gallente FW?

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Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-06 16:04:54 UTC
Cheers folks,

Im a 6-weeks old player whos already growing tired of mission runing and would love to start running some faction warfare to learn the basics.

I started off as Amarr, but many people told me that at low skill / ISK level, neither Amarr ships nor milita are a good choice for a newbie PvP. I realized I like Minmatar ships much more, so I headed over to Minmatar and trained into their frigates and cruisers. Right now I can fly a lot of t1 ships, I may be able to finish the core skills in the next month or two and start training into some t2 sutff.

Id like to join either Minmatar or Gallente militia, but there are few things Im not sure how to handle best:
1) standings - while missioning for Amarr, my standings with Minmatar and Gallente dropped a bit (1-3 and -1,8). Do I have to grind them to 0 or will I be able to join FW in a FW corp regardless of my standings?
2) fleets - is it possible to get into fleets and learn in npc militia corp? Or do I have to find a player run FW corp? I havent found any Minmatar or Gallente FW corps that would accept players below 10m SP - am I doing it wrong or am I bound to suck and be bored for a few more months?
3) home systems - I heard its not a good idea to enter trade hub systems while in FW - what should I do before I join FW? I cant really stack hundreds of ships at the moment, neither am I willing to create a bazzilion of accounts of logistics alts
4) minmatar fw - I heard there are almost no Amarr to fight - will I lack fights or is it a myth? Should I join Gallente instead?
5) ships to fly solo - I imagine Ill by flying solo a lot - should I stick to t1 frigates when looking for PvP or should I focus on cruisers instead?

Thank you for your input.

P.S.: any tips on newbie friendly and somewhat mature (Im 29 and kind of dont like playing with 16y/o or younger children) FW corps are highly appreciated.
Othran
Route One
#2 - 2012-07-06 16:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Better off learning PvP in RvB matey.

You're unlikely to be invited into any FW corp until you're no longer considered a spy. Until then you're solo or relying on (usually fail) pickup gangs.

FW solo while learning the basics of PvP is a hard way to do things.

Try RvB is my advice, you'll have more fun. Then do FW if you want and you'll have more fun there too.

Edit - and stay in frigates for a while, they will allow you to gtfo when things go wrong. Once you have a bit more experience then use cruisers, you'll know more then.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#3 - 2012-07-06 20:32:36 UTC
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
Cheers folks,

Im a 6-weeks old player whos already growing tired of mission runing and would love to start running some faction warfare to learn the basics.

I started off as Amarr, but many people told me that at low skill / ISK level, neither Amarr ships nor milita are a good choice for a newbie PvP. I realized I like Minmatar ships much more, so I headed over to Minmatar and trained into their frigates and cruisers. Right now I can fly a lot of t1 ships, I may be able to finish the core skills in the next month or two and start training into some t2 sutff.

Id like to join either Minmatar or Gallente militia, but there are few things Im not sure how to handle best:
1) standings - while missioning for Amarr, my standings with Minmatar and Gallente dropped a bit (1-3 and -1,8). Do I have to grind them to 0 or will I be able to join FW in a FW corp regardless of my standings?
2) fleets - is it possible to get into fleets and learn in npc militia corp? Or do I have to find a player run FW corp? I havent found any Minmatar or Gallente FW corps that would accept players below 10m SP - am I doing it wrong or am I bound to suck and be bored for a few more months?
3) home systems - I heard its not a good idea to enter trade hub systems while in FW - what should I do before I join FW? I cant really stack hundreds of ships at the moment, neither am I willing to create a bazzilion of accounts of logistics alts
4) minmatar fw - I heard there are almost no Amarr to fight - will I lack fights or is it a myth? Should I join Gallente instead?
5) ships to fly solo - I imagine Ill by flying solo a lot - should I stick to t1 frigates when looking for PvP or should I focus on cruisers instead?

Thank you for your input.

P.S.: any tips on newbie friendly and somewhat mature (Im 29 and kind of dont like playing with 16y/o or younger children) FW corps are highly appreciated.


1) You need standings at 0.0 with a faction to join their militia. Otherwise, to circumvent this restriction, you can find a player corp in either militia to join.
2) It is possible, but not a sure thing. Being in the NPC militia immediately subjects you to the possibility of being a spy/badkid/newb which a lot of FCs don't want (or have the patience) to deal with. There are some saints out there who take it upon themselves to "herd the cats" of general militia, however. Finding a good player corp (there are plenty out there who accept players of low SP) is the best way to get access to fleets.
3) Trade hub systems are fine, as long as they are not in enemy highsec. Rens or Hek or Dodixie would be A-OK for you in Minmatar or Gallente militia.
4) Minmatar are outnumbered heavily in the USTZ. It is even or leaning towards Minmatar superiority in the EUTZ (or so I am told).
5) T1 frigates are excellent, Rupture, etc.

In Minmatar, you could try any number of corps, but T.R.I.A.D. is a safe bet, although I'm not sure what their recruiting policy is like now-a-days.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-07-06 22:44:22 UTC
Thanks for the ideas guys. I wont bother grinding minmatar/gallente standings to 0.0 just to be able to join npc militia as it obviously wouldnt help much, I will try to find an active player corp instead.

RvB just doesnt feel right, I read some blogs topics and it seems a little one-dimensional, I was hoping to find a corp that would be into PvP but also into other aspects of the game aswell. Ill keep looking for one, maybe when my skills get a bit better, more options will come.
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-06 22:54:06 UTC
It might be a little one dimensional seeming - but it is valuable experience in FLYING in PVP. Many of the things you learn in RvB will be applicable to faction wars and general PVP.

Just because they have 'set encounters' and such, does not detract from the experience you will receive in controlling your ship, activating the appropriate modules and maneuvering.

I'd urge you to try it. If you hate it, you can always do something else. Besides, while you're LOOKING for a FW corp, you'll be getting experience in fighting other humans.
drdxie
#6 - 2012-07-06 23:15:02 UTC
My time in RvB was invaluable. I learn't lots from some very experienced guys which have help me in good stead now in NULL.
NULL FC's don't teach while they fly, so if FC says anchor up or get point or hold cloak, etc and you get it wrong.. you will be blasted

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277

Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#7 - 2012-07-07 08:29:23 UTC
Rezig Huruta wrote:
It might be a little one dimensional seeming - but it is valuable experience in FLYING in PVP. Many of the things you learn in RvB will be applicable to faction wars and general PVP.

Just because they have 'set encounters' and such, does not detract from the experience you will receive in controlling your ship, activating the appropriate modules and maneuvering.

I'd urge you to try it. If you hate it, you can always do something else. Besides, while you're LOOKING for a FW corp, you'll be getting experience in fighting other humans.

That and any corp looking at you will look and see "oh, RvB... he at least has some PVP experience."
Corps like to see they won't be starting from scratch on training you.
(I know I sure dislike training people who know nothing of pvp.)

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-07 09:17:12 UTC
Allright, sounds fair. I may give it a try once I grind enough ISK to stack on tens of ships in their systems (the 500m Jita death penalty is scary). Since I wont make any direct ISK or LP by fighting in RvB, this may take a while. At least I will have more skills trained.

Thank you gentlemen for your good advice.

zzt Mycroft
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-07 09:34:31 UTC  |  Edited by: zzt Mycroft
Like others have said join rvb. You can come and go as you want. The time I have spent there in the past has been great for. Learning pvp. I'm actually about to stick this account in blue. The jita this is easy just do not go to jita.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#10 - 2012-07-07 10:11:32 UTC
Don't join RVB, you'll hate yourself.

Join FW, move to Low, kill EVERYTHING not friendly, embrace fun.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-07 15:15:48 UTC
Gallente Militia War College is a training corp we have in Gall mil to help new players (new to PVP and FW, but mostly new to PVP) adjust into the warzone and learn, if nothing else, how to not die so freaking often. We're very lenient recruiters, but because of that we keep it separate from more sensitive militia operations. Don't expect instant permissions on TS and to be invited to armor hac gangs or whatever.

That said, we can help you get your feet wet if you're willing to take the initiative and ask questions, ask for invites to gangs and generally participate. There are a fair few people who take out public militia fleets in Gall mil atm, so you're not up **** creek if you come unaffiliated, though I wouldn't join the NPC corp if you don't have to.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
Caldari Tactical Operations Command
#12 - 2012-07-07 18:47:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Rezig Huruta wrote:
It might be a little one dimensional seeming - but it is valuable experience in FLYING in PVP. Many of the things you learn in RvB will be applicable to faction wars and general PVP.

Just because they have 'set encounters' and such, does not detract from the experience you will receive in controlling your ship, activating the appropriate modules and maneuvering.

I'd urge you to try it. If you hate it, you can always do something else. Besides, while you're LOOKING for a FW corp, you'll be getting experience in fighting other humans.

That and any corp looking at you will look and see "oh, RvB... he at least has some PVP experience."
Corps like to see they won't be starting from scratch on training you.
(I know I sure dislike training people who know nothing of pvp.)


I don't endorse RVB like I used to. When I was a director, I recruited a few people from RVB and none of them lasted in FW PVP. I wouldn't say that's an absolute but I remain fairly confident of the statement.

People pick up alot of bad habits from RVB (putting rails to KM whore, splitting DPS, etc..). I'd rather take a total pvp noob than an RVB guy who thinks he's a hotshot because he racked up a 100 kills in one month.

I am of the opinion that if you need to dive straight into PVP, then there's no better way than lowsec pvp be that FW or piracy. Both have their cons but way better than being a fairy and doing contrived pvp in hisec arenas.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .

Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#13 - 2012-07-07 19:06:07 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:

People pick up alot of bad habits from RVB (putting rails to KM *****, splitting DPS, etc..). I'd rather take a total pvp noob than an RVB guy who thinks he's a hotshot because he racked up a 100 kills in one month.

I think that's more on the character of the pilot. For instance, you could put you or me in RvB and we wouldn't put rails on just to killmail whore. But I see what you're saying.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Eliram Kahoudi
Big Fluffy Bunnies
#14 - 2012-07-07 19:12:46 UTC
no reason not to join FW. just becuase you will be placed in an NPC corp doesnt mean anything. There are also plenty of FW corps that accept people with 1m skill points.

FWEDDIT is one of them but they are amarr. Also there are plenty of fleets running out of random militia members.
Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-07 21:08:11 UTC
Eliram Kahoudi wrote:
There are also plenty of FW corps that accept people with 1m skill points. .


Could you point me in some specific direction for Minmatar / Gallente PvP? I checked TRIAD, but they dont seem to be recruiting newbies for active FW PvP.

I went through a bazillion of corps in the corp recruitment tab looking for a newbie friendly + faction warfare + EU TZ + at least 10 members, havent found any. Tried browsing the forums, but its mostly "looking for more 25m+ SP for 0.0 PvP, need to be able to fly at least t3 death star farting jedis".
Sominus Nexus
Guldan Age Stories
Federation Front Line
#16 - 2012-07-07 21:37:34 UTC
Julius Foederatus wrote:
Gallente Militia War College is a training corp we have in Gall mil to help new players (new to PVP and FW, but mostly new to PVP) adjust into the warzone and learn, if nothing else, how to not die so freaking often. We're very lenient recruiters, but because of that we keep it separate from more sensitive militia operations. Don't expect instant permissions on TS and to be invited to armor hac gangs or whatever.

That said, we can help you get your feet wet if you're willing to take the initiative and ask questions, ask for invites to gangs and generally participate. There are a fair few people who take out public militia fleets in Gall mil atm, so you're not up **** creek if you come unaffiliated, though I wouldn't join the NPC corp if you don't have to.


^^ This. Best way to make contacts in Gal Mil, meet decent pvp pilots, fly under decent FC's, and learn the ropes.
Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#17 - 2012-07-08 12:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Bengal Bob
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
Eliram Kahoudi wrote:
There are also plenty of FW corps that accept people with 1m skill points. .


Could you point me in some specific direction for Minmatar / Gallente PvP? I checked TRIAD, but they dont seem to be recruiting newbies for active FW PvP.

I went through a bazillion of corps in the corp recruitment tab looking for a newbie friendly + faction warfare + EU TZ + at least 10 members, havent found any. Tried browsing the forums, but its mostly "looking for more 25m+ SP for 0.0 PvP, need to be able to fly at least t3 death star farting jedis".


Iron Oxide, and particularly Angry Mustellid don't care about SP. There is only a no d!ckheads rule, but even that is often waived if you are amusing. Suicide attacks are a speciality, as we often are roaming and too impatient to reship into something suitable once we smell amarr fleets. Also, we are a very small corp, so we don't have huge fleets.

Oh, and we also have a don't leave someone to die rule (unless it is funny)

Speak to Annah Kitheran, but be warned, you will need to name at least 4 different Mustelid species.
Agent Type
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-08 17:51:16 UTC
I joined RvB first, but found the lack of goal-oriented PvP to be a little bit stale. Just go out and find the Red fleet, engage, rinse, repeat. I guess it was fun, but I wanted some goals to work towards while getting blown up!

So, I joined FW.. been having a ball ever since. I have been learning an absolute ton (but thats because Fweddit seems to be very accepting/patient with newer players) and been having a blast while doing it.
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#19 - 2012-07-09 10:43:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Horak Thor
Atreus Kadeyooh wrote:
Eliram Kahoudi wrote:
There are also plenty of FW corps that accept people with 1m skill points. .


Could you point me in some specific direction for Minmatar / Gallente PvP? I checked TRIAD, but they dont seem to be recruiting newbies for active FW PvP.

I went through a bazillion of corps in the corp recruitment tab looking for a newbie friendly + faction warfare + EU TZ + at least 10 members, havent found any. Tried browsing the forums, but its mostly "looking for more 25m+ SP for 0.0 PvP, need to be able to fly at least t3 death star farting jedis".


We do take new guys although we've just kicked all inactives and taken on a few new guys, so we might have our hands full teaching the guys we've taken on. Join "triad agency" and speak to the blokes.

On the other hand angry mustellid, iron oxide alliance are pro so they are a good choice.

Also if you want to stay in amarr fweddit seem to be a nice bunch of blokes, had a few lol convo's with a director, explore your options. Personally triad is my home and I love it so I'd be biased and tell you to join us :)

.....

Atreus Kadeyooh
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-07-13 07:20:44 UTC
So I finally managed to grind up the standings and join the Minmatar militia, sold a PLEX and bought a crazy amount of Rifters and Trashers at Hek with various fits to try out.

What should I do next? There seem to be occasional fleets in militia chat and reports of enemy blobs, but which systems should I go to to seek some 1v1 or small gang fights to start learning? Is there a way to sort out FW active systems in the map?