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What's happening to pyerite?

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Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
#1 - 2012-07-06 00:07:24 UTC
Why has pyerite been going up so much, why is there hardly any in sell orders? There seems to only be 2bil units of it in the sell orders. Any theories?
Desolator
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-07-06 01:18:42 UTC
There seems to be plenty of Pyer... And its gone... poof!
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#3 - 2012-07-06 01:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
For someone who's renowned as such an expert about mining, you sure don't know a lot about mining.


e: For actual content, pyerite and indeed low ends in general are massively undersupplied even during the lower than normal period of demand brought on by the recession. Throw in a war to spike demand and it just gets worse.

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Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#4 - 2012-07-06 01:45:16 UTC

What I don't understand is why people are selling so cheap. With so little in the market people should shoot for 18-20 .

Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
#5 - 2012-07-06 01:48:17 UTC
Haters gonna hate. Obviously there are the repercussions of perma-hulkageddon, and the Delve war. But pyerite is pushing 13, and it's never been anywhere close to this. It's rising faster than the other low-ends, implying that it's some sort of bottleneck in production. Or that someone is hording it specifically. Normally the volume on the market wouldn't change a whole lot, but the price would just go up. It's highly unusual to only have half a day's supply in the market. Hence my original question, is someone deliberately doing this? Or is this just circumstance
Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-06 02:26:33 UTC
Jita Bloodtear wrote:
Haters gonna hate. Obviously there are the repercussions of perma-hulkageddon, and the Delve war. But pyerite is pushing 13, and it's never been anywhere close to this. It's rising faster than the other low-ends, implying that it's some sort of bottleneck in production. Or that someone is hording it specifically. Normally the volume on the market wouldn't change a whole lot, but the price would just go up. It's highly unusual to only have half a day's supply in the market. Hence my original question, is someone deliberately doing this? Or is this just circumstance


What hubs did you identify this from?
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#7 - 2012-07-06 02:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Jita Bloodtear wrote:
Haters gonna hate. Obviously there are the repercussions of perma-hulkageddon, and the Delve war. But pyerite is pushing 13, and it's never been anywhere close to this. It's rising faster than the other low-ends, implying that it's some sort of bottleneck in production. Or that someone is hording it specifically. Normally the volume on the market wouldn't change a whole lot, but the price would just go up. It's highly unusual to only have half a day's supply in the market. Hence my original question, is someone deliberately doing this? Or is this just circumstance


Consumption is outstripping production by a factor of 2:1 as an extremely conservative estimate. The drone regions are the overwhelming cause, permageddon and the Delve war would be minor blips if they were still producing alloys. This applies across all low ends; pyerite is merely moving first.

And no, I'm not providing sources.


e: 0700 Eve, pyerite has blown through 13 and is well on its way to 14. It got close, in fact, and is only down thanks to the persistent warring efforts of people who feel they need to get out now.

Meanwhile, trit holds steady at 6.8 and mex around 63.5-64, but Isogen also surged and made a concerted push towards 100; current price is 99.85.

High ends also continue to creep upwards, with nocx, zyd and mega at 660, 880 and 2410, respectively.

It's going to be an interesting weekend.

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Blobber NL
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-07-06 14:35:20 UTC
damned, i sold my stocks too early!
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#9 - 2012-07-06 15:05:01 UTC
I'm curious as to why Pyerite, as opposed to other high-sec minerals like Trit and Mex, is shooting through the roof? Is there a popular set of items being made/used/destroyed that consume a much greater share of Pyerite than the others?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-06 15:14:27 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
I'm curious as to why Pyerite, as opposed to other high-sec minerals like Trit and Mex, is shooting through the roof? Is there a popular set of items being made/used/destroyed that consume a much greater share of Pyerite than the others?


Trit is going up. From a stable 6-6.1, grown to 6.7-6.9 over the past week.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#11 - 2012-07-06 16:45:33 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
I'm curious as to why Pyerite, as opposed to other high-sec minerals like Trit and Mex, is shooting through the roof? Is there a popular set of items being made/used/destroyed that consume a much greater share of Pyerite than the others?

See my post two or three posts up. "Why" pyerite? Dunno. Don't care. They're all moving, pyerite merely moved first. Pyerite is flirting with 14 right now and apparently touched 15 earlier, trit, as Barakach noted, is pushing on 7, Isogen is currently sitting around 107, and Mex is at 64 and rising.

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Malinda Borgir
Band 0f Brothers
Brothers of Tangra
#12 - 2012-07-06 18:51:18 UTC
Megacyte looks like its finally about to move.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#13 - 2012-07-06 19:31:48 UTC
Jita Bloodtear wrote:
Why has pyerite been going up so much, why is there hardly any in sell orders? There seems to only be 2bil units of it in the sell orders. Any theories?


I think that it may be because it is the most susceptible to sharp increases in demand. In my experience it seems to be rather low yield compared to other minerals. Even scordite gives a 50/50 split of tritanium and pyerite, and one usually needs quite a bit of it to make anything.

More simply, structurally the supply of it compared to other minerals is more constrained, making it more vulnerable to increased demand.
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
#14 - 2012-07-06 21:08:11 UTC
why isn't nocx moving then?
Block Ukx
420 Enterprises.
#15 - 2012-07-06 21:36:52 UTC
Ms Bax wrote:
why isn't nocx moving then?



FYI
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101295


Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#16 - 2012-07-06 22:26:31 UTC
Well, as a bit of an explanation:

Scordite (Primary ore for Pyerite) has not been worth mining at the price that you could get for Veld. Now it's reached a point where it is worth mining. I wouldn't be /too/ surprised to see it leveling off around not.

Well, if Miners are paying attention, that is.

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Bobo Cindekela
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-07-07 06:11:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobo Cindekela
pye spiked because the FW "bug finders"got their multi trillion isk speculationmoney unwound back to them and bought up supply to resell after the spike

where is tinfoil emoticon when u need it

hilarious that rampant speculation+dronepoo+hulkageddon has pushed the cost of an avatar hull from ~40bn to 77bn in the last 200 days, maybe encouraging people to kill miners was not a good idea afterall

life is a zero sum game

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Herr Hammer Draken
#18 - 2012-07-07 07:17:00 UTC
It is all motivation.

Why do you mine?
What do you mine?
Are you going to sell what you mine?
What percentage of different minerals are used in construction?
Do you mine them or buy them?
At what point do you become motivated?

And that is why all minerals are priced as they are.
And why their prices will change.

Many factors determine each persons answer to each question.
Reward determines its own risk.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#19 - 2012-07-07 16:09:23 UTC
Bobo Cindekela wrote:
pye spiked because the FW "bug finders"got their multi trillion isk speculationmoney unwound back to them and bought up supply to resell after the spike

where is tinfoil emoticon when u need it

The markets would reflect it if we'd gotten our money back by now. Oops

Bobo Cindekela wrote:
hilarious that rampant speculation+dronepoo+hulkageddon has pushed the cost of an avatar hull from ~40bn to 77bn in the last 200 days, maybe encouraging people to kill miners was not a good idea afterall


I'm failing to see where the bad idea is...? Big smile

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Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#20 - 2012-07-07 17:26:15 UTC
i think the miners haven't all fully realized that scordite is suddenly worth mining again. for months i skipped scordite as veldspar plagio pyrox kernite were worth much more isk/m3. but this has changed and i suppose many hisec miners just haven't done their spreadsheets recently. currently veldspar and scordite are roughly the same isk/m3 with scordite slowly but surely gaining a lead. they will take notice eventually i'd think. i do wonder if there is a manufacturing factor to this, i am only thinking from a "mining to sell minerals" perspective.
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