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FLGSynyster
Digital Chess Session
United Federation of Conifers
#1 - 2012-07-05 21:01:27 UTC  |  Edited by: FLGSynyster
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?

EDIT: If you have any recommended loadouts please post them too.
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-05 21:10:31 UTC
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359

FLGSynyster
Digital Chess Session
United Federation of Conifers
#3 - 2012-07-05 21:13:43 UTC
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
#4 - 2012-07-05 21:16:20 UTC
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


-Yes
-Depends
-It's Better
-It's More Expensive

Hope that helps. Seriously, look at the statistics in EVElopedia if you're not going to try out EFT.

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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba
Crunchy Crunchy
#5 - 2012-07-05 21:27:00 UTC
Train for a Hawk... when you get bored get in a Harpy with blasters.
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-07-05 21:36:09 UTC
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...


So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style.
Kalli Brixzat
#7 - 2012-07-05 21:46:46 UTC
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...


So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style.


Simple question with a very simple answer. No need to turn this into a 5-quote "learning experience".

@OP: Yes, it's better. Yes, it's also MUCH more expensive.
FLGSynyster
Digital Chess Session
United Federation of Conifers
#8 - 2012-07-05 21:56:59 UTC
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...


So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style.


To be honest I have played GW2 and I really do not enjoy it....
Drunein
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-07-05 23:47:55 UTC
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...


So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style.


To be honest I have played GW2 and I really do not enjoy it....


Unless you start learning how to be at least semi self-sufficient, You probably won't enjoy your stay here.
Bree Okanata
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-06 00:28:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Bree Okanata
Drunein wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...


So you'd like to be given the answer and not do any work/theory craft on your own? If that's the case I'm sure someone will be happy to give you all the summarized info you've requested, but EvE is very dependent on you doing a lot of reading to get the most out of it. Guild Wars 2 is coming out next month. Perhaps that will be more to your play style.


To be honest I have played GW2 and I really do not enjoy it....


Unless you start learning how to be at least semi self-sufficient, You probably won't enjoy your stay here.


And unless you start learning how to be nicer, you probably are going to still be a waste of forum space.

The hookbill is a pretty awesome ship. Yea it's more expensive but in some cases it can be worth it. I am not sure what it is you are looking for in a ship, but I for one have been eying the Hookbill to help blast through L1 missions while I grind for standings. Would be quicker than trying to blitz through with my Caracal, that's for sure. I may buy it to grind away at the standings since I somehow murdered my Gallente/Minmatar standings and they are about to start shooting at me unless I fix it.

As a side note, Evelopedia and EFT are not at all the answers to everything. Yes they can give you numbers and stats, but for a lot of ships they don't offer you suggested fittings/primary uses. If you won't be helpful, don't post. Also, it would be helpful to read the stickies. Until you learn to read the rules, you will keep breaking them. CCP Spitfire's rules are pretty clear.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#11 - 2012-07-06 01:34:34 UTC
Bree Okanata wrote:
As a side note, Evelopedia and EFT are not at all the answers to everything. Yes they can give you numbers and stats, but for a lot of ships they don't offer you suggested fittings/primary uses.


Suggested fittings?

You mean sorta like 'Hey, I've got 3 high slots, 3 launcher hard points, no gun hard points and a bonus to rockets and light missiles"' also 'I have more shield hitpoints, 5 midslots and only 2 low slots'.

Do you think it might perhaps be a shield-tanked rocket ship?
Danny John-Peter
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#12 - 2012-07-06 13:36:37 UTC
Paikis wrote:
Bree Okanata wrote:
As a side note, Evelopedia and EFT are not at all the answers to everything. Yes they can give you numbers and stats, but for a lot of ships they don't offer you suggested fittings/primary uses.


Suggested fittings?

You mean sorta like 'Hey, I've got 3 high slots, 3 launcher hard points, no gun hard points and a bonus to rockets and light missiles"' also 'I have more shield hitpoints, 5 midslots and only 2 low slots'.

Do you think it might perhaps be a shield-tanked rocket ship?



Actually you will find it be quite good armor tanked with heavy tackle and tracking disruption in the mids.

Basically, there are myriad of possibilities, places like Failheap Challenge and Battleclinic will give some idea, but dont copy those, change em as you want, make em your own.
Nayl Mkoll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-07-06 20:42:03 UTC
FLGSynyster wrote:
strenif wrote:
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?


You are in luck. Today you learn what EFT is.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359



That isn't really much help...

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#14 - 2012-07-06 23:03:39 UTC
FLGSynyster wrote:
Is the Hookbill better then the Kestrel? And if so if it worth paying the price for it?

What are it's main advantages/disadvantages?

EDIT: If you have any recommended loadouts please post them too.


the Kestrel is kinda meh since it hasn't been hit by the rebalance stick that is coming to all T1 frigates.

The Hookbill's primary asset is that it's really goddamn fast - nearly interceptor speeds, while still fielding decent tank and damage. Only downside is that it still doesn't have the raw tank/damage of assault frigs, meaning you'll lose in a 1v1 unless you're able to do some weird kiting.
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#15 - 2012-07-07 01:12:20 UTC
Hookbill can beat most frigs/dessies (daredevil and coercer it would struggle with). It is hands down the best navy faction frigate. I for the most part have stopped flying them in my space because no one would fight me after a time. Sad
Dibblerette
Solitude-Industries
#16 - 2012-07-08 05:25:18 UTC
It's two largest advantages are the amazing bonuses to rockets/Light missiles, and the excellent versatility of having 5 midslots on a frigate. Before the AF rebalance, it was unique in that ability. The common fit uses an MSE and dual webs to hold your target out of range/in deep falloff for turrets and let your mediocre but consistent rocket dps chew away at them.

Lately though, I've been seeing more fit with one, or even two tracking disruptors. Makes it nearly impossible for your common turret frigate to deal with, but if they get caught by another rocket ship, it's GF.
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#17 - 2012-07-08 10:42:51 UTC
Ive also seen dual prop hookbills a few times, although they suffer from a serious drop in EHP as you cant fit an MSE unless you gimp the fit in other areas.

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bartos100
Living Ghost
#18 - 2012-07-10 23:21:09 UTC
i have been using this fit to run lvl1 missions with and started tuning lvl 2's with it today

i find it works great

didn't need the MASB in the lvl 1's but in some of the lvl 2's it is handy that you can pulse it a few times to avoid warping out

[Caldari Navy Hookbill, pve ASB rocket]
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
1MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

it is however somewhat tight on cpu

Kalli Brixzat
#19 - 2012-07-11 02:29:16 UTC
bartos100 wrote:
i have been using this fit to run lvl1 missions with and started tuning lvl 2's with it today

i find it works great

didn't need the MASB in the lvl 1's but in some of the lvl 2's it is handy that you can pulse it a few times to avoid warping out

[Caldari Navy Hookbill, pve ASB rocket]
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
1MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II

'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Scourge Rocket

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

it is however somewhat tight on cpu



That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-07-11 08:34:08 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
That's one, overtanked PvE Hookbill for ya... but it will work. I'd go for a second Extender or CCC over the EM rig, but that's personal choice. If I'm going up against EM-heavy rats, I'll just fit two EM hardeners. Again, personal choice.


I'd go for T2 rocket launchers so I could fire T2 rockets for max DPS. But hey, I might be crazy.
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