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Multiple accounts and video ram!

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Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#1 - 2012-07-06 18:10:24 UTC
Ill keep this TL:DR
I'm buying a new computer and I want to run upwards of 6+ accounts with decent video settings on a single 1920x1080 monitor.
Do I get a video card with 2gb or 4gb of VRAM?

The clients are never minimised.
Ravenzfire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-06 18:34:45 UTC
With none of them minimized? You may want to go with the 4gb card then just to be safe. I run a three monitor setup on a GTX 690. Have it on SL! so it only recognizes 2gb of video memory. I run my resolution at 1920x1200. I have two accounts up on two of the monitors, my main is maxed settings with AA on and the alt is maxed settings with AA off. AA on for both seems to drop below 30 fps in both clients. Otherwise runs great. But like I said, if you are running 6+, unless you are having them all sitting docked, I would go for the 4gb option.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#3 - 2012-07-06 18:51:26 UTC
I run 3 accounts on two SLI GTS450s. They have a GB each and it runs smooth on max settings at 1920x1080. I am thinking though if you were going to run 6 at once you would want 4GB instead of two.

As for my comp its an intel Core i7-3930K with 16GB of junk ram on an Asus P9X79 Pro. I only say that because at some point methinks the bottleneck wont be you GPUs but your base computer when runnig that many accounts at once.
Citizen Smif
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-06 18:52:27 UTC
You'll find that there isn't enough room on the screen to be efficient about it. 2 is good, perhaps some people do 3 but I can't imagine running any more than that.
Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#5 - 2012-07-06 19:08:38 UTC
The problem with having the instances (that I am not focusing my control on) minimised is that the small second delay between minimisation/maximisation of a client can be disastrous and irritating for me as every second counts when I'm controlling multiple clients, usually more than 4-5, during a combat scenario (no not PVE).

I should also mention that the instances are windowed (cause alt-tabbing causes a delay and I can switch to a certain instance/account faster by clicking on it in the taskbar).

I'm on a Q6600 with a GTX295 card atm and I get stable, playable fps with all my accounts running but that's only because I have all settings toned down to low so if 4gb of vram over 2gb is the difference between good fps, low details & good fps, high detail then please let me know.
Wingmate
Perkone
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#6 - 2012-07-06 19:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Wingmate
since you'll be playing with graphics set to low, graphics memory is next to nothing in terms of importance. I used to quad-box with VMs, and those were based solely on the CPU for graphics. i had no ill effects with 4gb of RAM and an i5-750 quad-core CPU. i'd be surprised if you need something special for tons of accounts, as MMOs are hereditarily very CPU-throttled thanks to requirements for crappy computers and laptops.

ITT people post their expensive setups and make the OP think that more hardware is needed =) it's cute when people just keep stacking more hardware on because obviously more must be better and overkill is a lie. you can make a quad-boxing system that draws less than 450w from the wall for very, very cheap. stick with a solid CPU - sandy bridge is a great option here, don't need the expensive ivy boards - and a decent amount of RAM, around 1gb per instance, and you're set. a decent graphics card is all thats required as long as you're using VMs instead of multiple instances (check patch notes for why).

your issue is because you've got a Q6600. that's what, five years old at this point? the first really marketable quad-core with a tiny 1-66MHz FSB. the clock speed isn't too terrible, although moore's law says that 2.4ghz on that old of a cpu architecture is LOLtastic nowadays, but it's the puny FSB that's killing you. keep the GFX card, get a sandy-bridge based mobo and CPU (asus and msi make great boards, you can find a good one in the 100$-125$ range) and some DDR3 RAM since DDR2 won't work on it, and you're basically set. you'll likely need a bigger PSU, but it depends on what you have and how old it is.

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#7 - 2012-07-06 19:41:41 UTC
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT:

No matter how much vram you have, it still needs to access you regular ram for some video tasks.

So, if you have 4gb vram, for 6 clients, you will need 16gb of ram in your computer.

Anything less will bottleneck.

This of course means also you want a motherboard with great features, fast ram, at least a four core processor, etc.

ALSO:

4gb vram right now means lots of cooling and powersupply. Consider that.

BOTTOMLINE:

Vram is not the only criteria.
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Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#8 - 2012-07-07 05:03:22 UTC
Thanks for the replies so far.
Here are the core specs for the computer I intend to get:

-CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K Processor LGA1155
-RAM: G-Skill 16G(4X4G) DDR3 1600MHZ
-MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO
-GPU: GTX 670 with either 2gb or 4gb ram

The idea is to run said 6 accounts without having them minimised and have graphics settings/detail at a decent level as I'm sick of playing with low only.
So with these specs and intentions in mind, is 4gb of vram necessary as opposed to just 2gb?
5nake pliskan
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#9 - 2012-07-07 05:13:56 UTC
Rectangular Prism wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far.
Here are the core specs for the computer I intend to get:

-CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K Processor LGA1155
-RAM: G-Skill 16G(4X4G) DDR3 1600MHZ
-MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO
-GPU: GTX 670 with either 2gb or 4gb ram

The idea is to run said 6 accounts without having them minimised and have graphics settings/detail at a decent level as I'm sick of playing with low only.
So with these specs and intentions in mind, is 4gb of vram necessary as opposed to just 2gb?


oh, you were doing so well too, but now you've ruined a pretty good troll

6 clients on an i5 with one video card with nothing minimized eh?

guffaw!
Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#10 - 2012-07-07 05:32:26 UTC
5nake pliskan wrote:
Rectangular Prism wrote:
Thanks for the replies so far.
Here are the core specs for the computer I intend to get:

-CPU: Intel Core i5 2500K Processor LGA1155
-RAM: G-Skill 16G(4X4G) DDR3 1600MHZ
-MOBO: Asus P8Z77-V PRO
-GPU: GTX 670 with either 2gb or 4gb ram

The idea is to run said 6 accounts without having them minimised and have graphics settings/detail at a decent level as I'm sick of playing with low only.
So with these specs and intentions in mind, is 4gb of vram necessary as opposed to just 2gb?


oh, you were doing so well too, but now you've ruined a pretty good troll

6 clients on an i5 with one video card with nothing minimized eh?

guffaw!


Well if that is impossible on one monitor WITHOUT using low settings then tell me that it is impossible rather than assuming I'm a troll you noob.

The fact is, that if I can run 6 clients on absolute low settings, unminimised with a Q6600 cpu and a gtx 295 (both of which are a few years old now) then its not a high expection to think that, as of 2012, a current mid range computer would be able to run 6 clients unminimised with medium or even high settings.

Please tell me what idiocy compelled you to assume I was some kind of troll? if you don't want to help and just play the failed troll-spotter role on threads all day then do so elsewhere.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#11 - 2012-07-07 05:37:39 UTC
I can have five accts open and running at max graphics settings and 1920x1200 resolution.

But I'm rocking an i7 2600k on a Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 mobo with 16G Corsair XMS 3 ram @ 2000 mhz. For video I have an EVGA Classified GTX 590. Game drive is a Vertex 2 SSD.

So if you want to be running 6 accts you will likely need something of that caliber. I don't think you'll be able to hit a decent framerate with what you are proposing.

Mr Epeen Cool
Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#12 - 2012-07-07 05:43:42 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I can have five accts open and running at max graphics settings and 1920x1200 resolution.

But I'm rocking an i7 2600k on a Gigabyte P67A-UD7-B3 mobo with 16G Corsair XMS 3 ram @ 2000 mhz. For video I have an EVGA Classified GTX 590. Game drive is a Vertex 2 SSD.

So if you want to be running 6 accts you will likely need something of that caliber. I don't think you'll be able to hit a decent framerate with what you are proposing.

Mr Epeen Cool


Well the important question here is, are you running all settings on low? And if you're not, do you get stable fps?
If I recall correctly the 590 is dual gpu with 3gb vram in total.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#13 - 2012-07-07 05:52:03 UTC
Well like I said. Max graphics settings. Framerate is 60 FPS with Vsync enabled. When I was testing it never dropped below that.

Mr Epeen Cool
Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#14 - 2012-07-07 05:53:19 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Well like I said. Max graphics settings. Framerate is 60 FPS with Vsync enabled. When I was testing it never dropped below that.

Mr Epeen Cool


My mistake, I glanced past that part. Thanks for the help, I think I might just go with the 4gb version of the 670 after all.
Mallak Azaria
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#15 - 2012-07-07 07:14:37 UTC
Botting is bad.

You should definately get the better version, always. It pays off when you're not stingey.

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Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#16 - 2012-07-07 07:27:46 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Botting is bad.

You should definately get the better version, always. It pays off when you're not stingey.


Its a good thing I dont do botting then - pretty sure people who do run accounts minimised...
Unless someone can vouch for 2gb being sufficient based on the settings and specs I mentioned, I will be purchasing a EVGA GTX 670 4gb SC card tomorrow.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-07-09 13:52:16 UTC
as i said up there, 2gb is fine if you VMs (which you should to combat terrible performance issues with multi-user clients). if you don't, it doesn't matter because the eve client drops a brick with too many clients anyways.

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nomlet
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#18 - 2012-07-09 16:46:49 UTC
Tested it just for fun. I have 6 accounts up, all maxed out graphic settings. 5 of them are autopiloting & I'm playing in the 6th window.

Windows says its using ~10gb of ram.

My setup:
Intel i7 960 @ 3.20ghz
24g Ram (Corsair DDR3 1333)
Single GeForce GTX 580 1.5g
2 Monitors

(There is no need for that much RAM, I just wanted it. And yes, I'm running Win 7 Professional so all of it is available.)

With maximized windows but windowed mode (1920x1080), it was a choppy when spinning the ship, and very choppy when targeting baddies, it got unplayable. CPU was nearly maxed.

Not sure if this will work:
CPU

adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#19 - 2012-07-09 16:56:47 UTC
How stupid can people be wow...

First off, OP you do not mention settings so 2 or 4 gig who knows... got resource cache on? next seeing as you pretty much can not tell how much vram an app is using again who can tell you.

Next you idiots with "i haz uber fast CPU/RAM" cool story bro, eve needs like nothing in speed as far as the CPU / RAM goes (infact almost nothing shows a gain with ram past 1333)

Plain and simple here... OP needs MORE RAM and a better vid card. That's it... **** if the mobo would support more than 8 gigs of ram... the OP could use the same CPU... the alt tab delays are RAM... called paging, systems out of ram, when you put eve in the taskbar it pages that info, then pulls the client you are trying to maxmize out of page... rams how many gig/sec... a hdd is 100mb/sec on a good day...

Ya wonder whats taking so long.

Got love too a pic of task man... showing CPU usaged... with out showing WHAT is using the cpu rofl. Sorry eve does not really use CPU cycles... talking 8% cpu usage on a 875k with one client... 10 would be 80 rofl...
nomlet
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#20 - 2012-07-09 17:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: nomlet
adam smash wrote:
...Got love too a pic of task man... showing CPU usaged... with out showing WHAT is using the cpu rofl. Sorry eve does not really use CPU cycles... talking 8% cpu usage on a 875k with one client... 10 would be 80 rofl...


*shrug* The only thing I had open was EVE and a Firefox browser.


Edit: For a baseline, w/ 1 EVE doing nothing, and a Firefox browser, i'm running at ~6% cpu.
Edit: The EVE process for a combat mission took ~10%. That plus overhead for all the windows and stuffs, it makes sense.
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