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Down with Hans The Hat Jagerblitzen, we need a CSM that actually gives a damn

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Loki Vice
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-06 04:43:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Loki Vice
faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense.

Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP.

Down with Hans
Hans can't hear you through his piles of isk
Hats or Good fights?!
pinky feldman is a god damned hero
whats that? quit whining
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-06 04:44:30 UTC
"incentives"
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#3 - 2012-07-06 06:20:05 UTC
HUH???

I like the FW changes.
Just need faction NPC's not to attack their own Militias in their own High Sec and it's 100% perfect. (Or delete them ffs CCP)
Hans was thrown in the deep end. No point trying to lay blame on him.

Those systems are left vulnerable for a reason.

Sorry - I have to say it:
Working as Intended.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Loki Vice
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-06 06:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Loki Vice
If you are leaving systems vulnerable for a reason there are mechanics that are obviously broken, you should always want to hold your own ****.

WANTED
Hans doesn't even fight
Pinky has been places... dark places
Because Winning By Goon Exploits lets you WIN MOAR
Othran
Route One
#5 - 2012-07-06 07:00:43 UTC
You lot (FW players) voted for him.

Deal with it.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#6 - 2012-07-06 07:17:56 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
If you are leaving systems vulnerable for a reason there are mechanics that are obviously broken, you should always want to hold your own ****.


"He who defends everything, defends nothing" - Some dude who clearly didnt do pvp (at least in Eve)
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-06 07:25:29 UTC
CSM campaigns starting early this year???

BTW - I love the logic "Hans made the sky blue, I will get everyone more fights!!!!"
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#8 - 2012-07-06 08:59:53 UTC
Susan Black for CSM!!

EVE Mail me i dont check forums often.
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-07-06 09:32:37 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
faction warfare is obviously broken



And Hans broke it!


Git yer torches un pitchforks and head for Devoid! Pirate
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#10 - 2012-07-06 09:42:38 UTC
I didn't get my free Hans Job, down with Hans! Bear

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#11 - 2012-07-06 10:22:01 UTC
I dunno, I made a fresh alt and after 12 hours of training am raking in isk. You must be doing something wrong if yours is broken, it's working fine for me.

.
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2012-07-06 13:20:41 UTC
As much I appreciate where your rant is coming from .....

The election and subsequent appointment of our single non-null CSM member (Worms are technically null) came after CCP had spent their 10 minutes "fixing" Faction Warfare. If everything was hammered down at FanFest (launched 100% as presented despite complaints) one can only assume it was in place well before said gathering.

The iterations coming this winter/spring however, which look like they may actually make FW work again, are born from feedback from an active FW participant rather than solely from the disconnected/addled brains studying spreadsheets in Icelands ..
Question is if it will be enough to resuscitate FW, personally have my doubts. My biggest fear currently is that the shoddy work CCP pushed as the Great FW Overhaul!!!!!™ in Crucible and the feeling that you represent, will make any hope of getting another 'FW friendly' CSM elected again (we need two for maximum pressure!) as people will be struck by the same disillusionment that plagues real world politics .. the "why bother, doesn't make a difference" feeling.

Best thing we can do is try to change CCP's way of doing things. If they do not have any qualified in-game experience "in house" with any given aspect of Eve, then they should be encouraged/cajoled/forced to query the population prior to making plans.
One might say they did so with Crucible FW changes, but for some whacked out reason they chose to focus only last summers threads/responses, hence the insane incentivization with barely anything else .. had they instead done the "right" thing and collated data/opinions as it has been presented over the years we would have had incentives AND meaningful gameplay changes (maybe even a rekindling of the heavy RP start FW had! Smile)

!!!!!!!!
(Exclamation points. Just because.)
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#13 - 2012-07-06 13:33:58 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense.

Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP.

Down with Hans
Hans can't hear you through his piles of isk
Hats or Good fights?!
pinky feldman is a god damned hero
whats that? quit whining




You know "not capturing" a vulnerable enemy system makes ALOT of sense in some circumstances right (its a strategic choice on denying the enemy an income). If you aren't intending (or need to) upgrade a system to make a particular control tier (and you don't want to operate from that system) its far more sensible to plex it to vulnerable and leave it than to flip it just so the enemy can earn income for plexing.

If you want to solve this issue then you should probably be asking for some more interesting upgrades (maybe branching ones) that the person putting LP into the HUB can choose at the time of donation.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#14 - 2012-07-06 13:36:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
Susan Black for CSM!!


I'd give Susan a vote!

(anybody who gets primaried before me has to be doing something right)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2012-07-06 13:41:39 UTC
just remove all npcs from lowsec plexes, or make shooting the npcs not result in faction standings loss.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-06 15:05:38 UTC
You lot think Hans has any say in the new FW mechanics?

The inferno mechanics were announced RIGHT after CSM elections. Hans could not of had time to voice his opinion to on how things should be from his point of view.

Besides lets be honest. Hans never had a clear A,B and C agenda he just rode the dismay and fustration train all FW pilots had towards CCP to the CSM office.

The only thing the CSM are allowed is sneak peak previews of changes CCP ALREADY decided long before we do.

All tinfoil hat theories aside regarding minnies being the militia to most capitolize on the FW changes before the inferno patch, Hans has little to no say in how CCP plans things. Likeall the CSM before them. They can make noise, they can be consulted, but in my opinion there is nothing a CSM can bring to CCP's attention any good read of these forums cant.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#17 - 2012-07-06 17:17:53 UTC
Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham".

Makes perfect sense when you think about it....Roll

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Gitanmaxx
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-06 18:18:54 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Apparently I am simultaneously "the one who ruined Faction Warfare" and also "the one that CCP doesnt listen to cause the CSM is a sham".

Makes perfect sense when you think about it....Roll



HAHA, you also caused global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#19 - 2012-07-06 18:27:17 UTC
Gitanmaxx wrote:


HAHA, you also caused global warming and the extinction of the dinosaurs.



Thankfully my Goonswarm benefactor overlords have invested their billions made into alternative energy development, so hopefully we'll be seeing a cooler, more dino-friendly New Eden in the not-too-distant future.....

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-07-06 18:27:44 UTC
Loki Vice wrote:
faction warfare is obviously broken, not even just on the Amarr-Minmatar side. The Galentte and Caldari both have multiple systems that are vulnerable and no one even bothers to cap due to mechanics that make no sense.

Faction warfare could be the defining element of eve right along side with null-sec if we had someone other than Hans being our tie in with CCP.


WTF are you on about?!?!! People don't bother to mess with it because they're busy running missions (or running from the Minnies).
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