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How to Gank and PVP in W-Space

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-06-07 15:52:27 UTC
Lucy Leigh wrote:
Just a quick question as I'm new to WH's... How viable are Stealth Bombers in hunting easy targets such as a group of miners or other ships? Does anyone have experience solo hunting in WH's with a stealth bomber?


Stealth bombers are hella fun in a WH.

BTW I didn't know there where hostels in WH space. ive stayed in them when traveling on vacation. Be much easier than a POS. Big smile
Lucy Leigh
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-06-07 16:22:26 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Lucy Leigh wrote:
Just a quick question as I'm new to WH's... How viable are Stealth Bombers in hunting easy targets such as a group of miners or other ships? Does anyone have experience solo hunting in WH's with a stealth bomber?

Very viable. Many people do this. The lack of Local makes Stealth viable in a way it could never be in k-space.

There are even several blogs about it.


I'm getting close to finishing my SB skills and I had the intent of exploring WH's in search of fun. What kind of targets will I be looking to attack?
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#43 - 2012-06-07 17:49:54 UTC
Lucy Leigh wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Lucy Leigh wrote:
Just a quick question as I'm new to WH's... How viable are Stealth Bombers in hunting easy targets such as a group of miners or other ships? Does anyone have experience solo hunting in WH's with a stealth bomber?

Very viable. Many people do this. The lack of Local makes Stealth viable in a way it could never be in k-space.

There are even several blogs about it.


I'm getting close to finishing my SB skills and I had the intent of exploring WH's in search of fun. What kind of targets will I be looking to attack?

Haulers mostly. Miners too if you are lucky or especially patient, but miners tend to learn to be paranoid in wormholes fairly yearly on so they tend to have scouts around looking for threats. You could probably be able to take on failfitted site runners too if you know your targets optimal range, tracking speed or explosion velocity. People stray outside of their pos shields in all kinds of strange ships strangely often too so people who are putting ammo into guns or setting up a pos in some other way are especially delicious targets.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-06-07 18:01:05 UTC
Lucy Leigh wrote:
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Lucy Leigh wrote:
Just a quick question as I'm new to WH's... How viable are Stealth Bombers in hunting easy targets such as a group of miners or other ships? Does anyone have experience solo hunting in WH's with a stealth bomber?

Very viable. Many people do this. The lack of Local makes Stealth viable in a way it could never be in k-space.

There are even several blogs about it.


I'm getting close to finishing my SB skills and I had the intent of exploring WH's in search of fun. What kind of targets will I be looking to attack?



Haulers running PI are easy.

Miners can be, but generally I've only found it successful if you scan the sites ahead of time. I find it difficult to put a expanded launcher on a solo SB to use combats (less of an issue if you dual box). Also asteroid fields can be a challenge (albeit sometimes fun) to navigate cloaked into range without bumping into a roid.

My personal fav tho, is to find that solo site runner. I had one where i just sat cloaked watching his drake work on a C2 site, while I leisurely motored into a nice spot. Then he came back with his Noctis. Still I waited. When he was about to finish the last wreck I decloaked and popped him, scooped the nice loot and GTFO. Almost easier than running and salvaging the site yourself.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#45 - 2012-07-04 20:11:52 UTC
A great read........... and unlike some......... thanks for sharing.

Regards

Barrak
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#46 - 2012-07-05 21:57:47 UTC
I only skimmed through the first page, but if it hasn't been said already...PATIENCE is the biggest key to anything in wh space. If you aren't the patient type, wormholes are going to **** you off. Lol

No trolling please

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-07-05 23:23:24 UTC
Honestly I'm a little surprised at some of the responses; I found this to be a somewhat mediocre read.

While some of your points are valid, your viewpoint is incredibly narrow (as has been pointed out by a few of the long-time wormholers). According to your assessment of ships my entire fleet in C4s would be a "gank fleet" used for pvp. Great for me I guess, explains why i'm not getting harassed much.

Rather than blob quote you "Launch combat probes. I personally use 5, but we got guys in our alliance who are so good I think they can do it with 2 or 3. " It's not actually possible to get a hit with 2 probes. You get stuck at 99.99% because you're only establishing the "circle" and not the pin point depth with 2 probes. Even with 3 probes you're going to have issues with "depth" hits, so 4 minimum is advisable. If you're off scan when you're dropping the probes, you may as well drop all 7 or 8 to get a strong hit because they're going to see the probes either way.

It was after this that I looked up your combat record and saw that you were #322,843 ranked with 79 kills and 54 deaths. Your isk to kill ratio was decent, 11.99 billion to 1.56 billion lost. Now I'm by no means one to say that without experience you can't know a lot of theorycraft, but i would suggest to you that perhaps the reason your view seems very narrow to us is because your experience of wormholing (at least on your posting toon) is somewhat narrow. A great beginner's guide though,

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#48 - 2012-07-05 23:51:19 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:


Rather than blob quote you "Launch combat probes. I personally use 5, but we got guys in our alliance who are so good I think they can do it with 2 or 3. " It's not actually possible to get a hit with 2 probes. You get stuck at 99.99% because you're only establishing the "circle" and not the pin point depth with 2 probes. Even with 3 probes you're going to have issues with "depth" hits, so 4 minimum is advisable. If you're off scan when you're dropping the probes, you may as well drop all 7 or 8 to get a strong hit because they're going to see the probes either way.



Not sure whom advised using so few probes, but if someone did...HAHAhA!

Secondly, for most of the people I've ganked in wh space, probes were never needed. Most of the ones I've experienced are people running anoms, which d-scan can point you in the direction of, and your onboard scan should show you the exact one to warp to.

No trolling please

Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-07-06 02:01:14 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Svodola Darkfury wrote:


Rather than blob quote you "Launch combat probes. I personally use 5, but we got guys in our alliance who are so good I think they can do it with 2 or 3. " It's not actually possible to get a hit with 2 probes. You get stuck at 99.99% because you're only establishing the "circle" and not the pin point depth with 2 probes. Even with 3 probes you're going to have issues with "depth" hits, so 4 minimum is advisable. If you're off scan when you're dropping the probes, you may as well drop all 7 or 8 to get a strong hit because they're going to see the probes either way.



Not sure whom advised using so few probes, but if someone did...HAHAhA!

Secondly, for most of the people I've ganked in wh space, probes were never needed. Most of the ones I've experienced are people running anoms, which d-scan can point you in the direction of, and your onboard scan should show you the exact one to warp to.




Same. People who are in scan-only sites tend to be a little more vigilant.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#50 - 2012-07-06 03:22:09 UTC
Indeed. I've also found that using core probes to scan down a sig (ladar, grav) draw less attention that combats. So if a ship is there that has a smaller sig radius, I will scan the site quick and pull probes.

No trolling please

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#51 - 2012-07-06 07:36:57 UTC
This is how you spend an hour in a C2 making friends and influencing people.

Trinkets friend> labia Leusten nice name haha


Er, actually, that was out in hisec. Inside the wormhole, we have just missed Russians sucking some grav site and spotted a Legion who has logged in at POS. We deploy a brutix to go "gas mining". Numbnuts the Legion pilot sees him on scan immediately, and scuttles back to POS (conviniently off scan) to collect a probing...hound.

He spends 35 minutes combat probing ur man down. We get him to jump out, with the Russian's half-full can of C32 still on scan, a few times. I find that if you leave the bait in the water too long, people get suspicious, so we tend to withdraw it, teabag style, and replace it. I mean...if someone leaves scan they've seen your combats. But if he comes back - twice - surely he's just a tard?

The guy eventually relaunches probes when our Brutix has moved on to a grav site. Again, make them work for it, they get riled up and stop thinking straight. He swaps to a cane and warps in, prompting me to jump a Panther, Redeemer, Falcon, etc in. We blob, and I'm sure it wasnt his prime time, so wtfevah.

Here I provide the convo which started when our man in the Brutix didn't quite manage to get point, and the cane pilot warps out. Again, a lesson in how to bait properly.

EVE System > Subspace communication beacon unreachable. Channel list unavailable.
DeCypherSphere > i will be back
Lindarn > I just want my ore, man.
DeCypherSphere > well ive seen the corp description
Lindarn > I'll give you 10% if this is your hole.
DeCypherSphere > really?
DeCypherSphere > i doubt that
Lindarn > I've mined 15 mil.
DeCypherSphere > why did you lock me then?
Lindarn > You came in a hurricane. I was aligning to get out.

At this point, I suggest Lindarn actually pay the guy 1.5M.

DeCypherSphere > fair
DeCypherSphere > ok im suprised
Lindarn > I'll be back. I have to haul some ore back to hi sec.

More teabagging.

DeCypherSphere > ok
Lindarn > I'm back.
DeCypherSphere > i thought eve was full of dicks and scammers
DeCypherSphere > whats your deal?
Lindarn > I've been scammed. I hate them.
DeCypherSphere > not many people actully send the isk they say they will
Lindarn > Isk makes people more friendly.
DeCypherSphere > true
DeCypherSphere > made me think about warping back

Lulwhut?


Lindarn > You don't shoot me?
DeCypherSphere > nope
Lindarn > There anyoen else here?
DeCypherSphere > i forgot the faction ammo thats why i warped
DeCypherSphere > well theres 3 pos's :P
Lindarn > Do you need faction ammo for rats?
DeCypherSphere > no it was for you
DeCypherSphere > but i warped and you sent me isk made me think twice
Lindarn > Glad I talked to you then. I am not pvp.
DeCypherSphere > why are you here then?
DeCypherSphere > not many people like me would stop
Lindarn > I need ore from rocks, but it's dangerous.
Lindarn > I gotta take my can to hi sec. I will be back, but I want more.
Lindarn > This place has good rocks.
DeCypherSphere > go for it

Jump baitix in and out.

Lindarn > You want 50/50?
DeCypherSphere > keep it mate
Lindarn > brb
DeCypherSphere > i get 100mil a hour
Lindarn > I back.

Our mate warps back at 100 in his cane. He aligns to a planet. I scoot my Panther around in front of him at nigh on 400ms cloaked.

DeCypherSphere > cool keep the isk you need it more i think
DeCypherSphere > i get 100mil a hour in this c2 and a bil a hour shared in a c4
Lindarn > Yeah. Corp betrayer took three brutix from me. It was everything.
DeCypherSphere > **** how much isk you got now?
Lindarn > 60 mil.
DeCypherSphere > yeah keep the isk mate

Being on a perfect vector between numbnuts nd his planet, I now realign the Panther towards him and at 4,000m decloak and hit MWD instantly, champion bump.

DeCypherSphere > get out
DeCypherSphere > yep thought so
Lindarn > I want ore.
DeCypherSphere > keep it

Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#52 - 2012-07-07 07:05:08 UTC
"You won’t come across any hell cat fleets in a worm hole."

You have not come across SRS before?

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg

joes Bazooka
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-07-07 09:27:57 UTC
Xuse Senna wrote:
"You won’t come across any hell cat fleets in a worm hole."

You have not come across SRS before?



Can confirm SRS have almost blobbed...errr ganked me.
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