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Pipa Porto
#221 - 2012-07-06 00:54:35 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question.


Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question!


It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it?


Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters.


Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#222 - 2012-07-06 01:01:49 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
I asked a simple question. Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for? It's not a complicated question.


Post with your main and I'll be happy to answer your question!


It goes clicky when I do that, but I've got him linked in my Sig. Why is it that you can't answer a simple question just because someone's main didn't ask it?


Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters.


Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question.


Sure post with your main and I'm happy too!

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Pipa Porto
#223 - 2012-07-06 01:05:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Well mainly because one has to assume that npc alts are just spoiler characters on the side of the enemy. I honestly don't have much respect for players who hide their identity behind alts so don't take their questions as seriously as main characters.


Great. Then since my identity is established, feel free to answer the question.


Sure post with your main and I'm happy too!


No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established.

So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question;

Pipa Porto wrote:
Do you have any factual basis to believe that such a records check would reveal the evidence you're fishing for?


More importantly, if you'd be happy to answer it, why does the asker matter?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#224 - 2012-07-06 01:09:06 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Powers Sa
#225 - 2012-07-06 01:14:10 UTC
Jade needs to work on the tunnel vision.

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Pipa Porto
#226 - 2012-07-06 01:15:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.



1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question"
2) Why does the asker of what you admitted (through your happiness to answer) to be a simple question matter?
3) You started with an accusation (and then repeated and repeated it). Gotta show a factual basis for that before you get to go on a fishing expedition.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#227 - 2012-07-06 01:21:28 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.



1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question"
2) Why does the asker of what you admitted (through your happiness to answer) to be a simple question matter?
3) You started with an accusation (and then repeated and repeated it). Gotta show a factual basis for that before you get to go on a fishing expedition.


I thought you guys were FC'ing for TEST. Means you are certainly CFC and by definition not neutral in any way shape or form. Like I said, get somebody else to post with their main.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#228 - 2012-07-06 01:21:39 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.




Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group.

tl;dr We are not Borg.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#229 - 2012-07-06 01:26:58 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.




Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group.

tl;dr We are not Borg.



That's not really the position. I'm saying I don't like having discussions with NPC corp alts. Since the CFC have 30,000+ accounts to post with I'm assuming at least some of them have some main characters to post with. (Of course the thing is this particular derail was spawned to take the pressure off "zim" so I'm not terribly inclined to play.)


The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Pipa Porto
#230 - 2012-07-06 01:37:55 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.




Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group.

tl;dr We are not Borg.



That's not really the position. I'm saying I don't like having discussions with NPC corp alts. Since the CFC have 30,000+ accounts to post with I'm assuming at least some of them have some main characters to post with. (Of course the thing is this particular derail was spawned to take the pressure off "zim" so I'm not terribly inclined to play.)


Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.

I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#231 - 2012-07-06 01:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Jade Constantine wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question


Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.




Not entirely sure what you two are arguing about now, but refusing to communicate with a member of a particular group based on the generalised actions of said group is a poor excuse. The group may influence the individual, but the individual remains precisely that, an individual and thus a discussion with that person is likely to involve said individuals own personal beliefs, rather than the generalised beliefs of the group.

tl;dr We are not Borg.



That's not really the position. I'm saying I don't like having discussions with NPC corp alts. Since the CFC have 30,000+ accounts to post with I'm assuming at least some of them have some main characters to post with. (Of course the thing is this particular derail was spawned to take the pressure off "zim" so I'm not terribly inclined to play.)





Jade, on this occasion I think it best to let it go. Everyone, including you, knows that Pipa is not just an NPC alt and is in fact Ruby's only way of posting, so using that as an excuse to be evasive will do nothing to help your cause nor win any argument.

And to be honest with all of you, I've seen you, Zim and Pipa/Ruby posting, and the more I read the harder it is to tell you all apart. You all use the same arguments and evasion tactics so often that you run the risk of blending in to one big and very odd forum troll. Not that its not a learning experience and a comedic one, just getting a little weird is all. Big smile

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#232 - 2012-07-06 01:47:51 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.


Ironically I think you are just like the borg. I see precious little demonstration of individuality from any of your members and I think you are pretty much programmed by the bias and opinions of your leadership. Case in point. The wiki page we are arguing about was posted onto the goon wiki with certain lies about my RL life and personality that has been uncritically regurgitated by literally hundreds of goons in the years since. Its very much like a form of cult programming in religious organizations - demonize through repetition and peer pressure.

Quote:
I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion.


Problem is I literally don't recognize your individual right to ask a question of me. That's because you are not using a forum account with reputation and consequence. You could use that account to hurl invective, make up lies, say whatever you want and face no real negative outcomes because you literally don't care about it.

So I adopt a position of not granting your request because frankly I consider people posting with their mains have more credibility. Combine that with your admission that you got your main forum banned for bad-posting and frankly I think treating you seriously would be encouraging the wrong kind of behavior on the eve online forums.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#233 - 2012-07-06 01:50:31 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.

Wouldn't want to assimilate those -A- FCs, wow.

Have you heard those soundclouds, sheesh.

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#234 - 2012-07-06 01:54:49 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Jade, on this occasion I think it best to let it go. Everyone, including you, knows that Pipa is not just an NPC alt and is in fact Ruby's only way of posting, so using that as an excuse to be evasive will do nothing to help your cause nor win any argument.


I'm really making it a point of principle. There is absolutely nothing to be evasive about on my side, you ask me the same question and I'm happy to give you an answer. (not that its a particularly difficult question)

Cutter Isaacson wrote:
And to be honest with all of you, I've seen you, Zim and Pipa/Ruby posting, and the more I read the harder it is to tell you all apart. You all use the same arguments and evasion tactics so often that you run the risk of blending in to one big and very odd forum troll. Not that its not a learning experience and a comedic one, just getting a little weird is all. Big smile


Well I did have the weird feeling earlier that "zim" has kinda fallen in love with me - its like that awkward scene in a movie where a couple of jocks get into a wrestling match, turns into a clinch and then into smoldering glances from the gym mat. Ultimately though, it is a silly kind of forum warfare these guys try to pull - there is no place for rl personal attacks in eve online, as long as they keep it ingame there is no problem.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#235 - 2012-07-06 01:58:32 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
1) Waffles is most certainly not a member of the CFC. We're in (or at least associated with) the HoneyBadger Coalition. And since you seem to accept my identity, your concerns over sockpuppetry are allayed, and you can "Happily answer the question"

Oh, another Honeybadger.

Have you started looking at places in Delve etc and picked out a nice station to live in?

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#236 - 2012-07-06 01:59:00 UTC
So the Borg aren't people now? Captain Picard would be dismayed to see your lack of humanity and compassion towards another race.

Alot of people alt post, just to give **** and troll people.

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#237 - 2012-07-06 02:02:27 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Alot of people alt post, just to give **** and troll people.


Pretty much my point.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#238 - 2012-07-06 02:03:19 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Like he said, neither the CFC nor their allies are the Borg.


Ironically I think you are just like the borg. I see precious little demonstration of individuality from any of your members and I think you are pretty much programmed by the bias and opinions of your leadership. Case in point. The wiki page we are arguing about was posted onto the goon wiki with certain lies about my RL life and personality that has been uncritically regurgitated by literally hundreds of goons in the years since. Its very much like a form of cult programming in religious organizations - demonize through repetition and peer pressure.

Quote:
I simply want you to explain what factual basis you have to ask the question, and now that you have accused me of Colluding with mister Zim, I'd like you to explain what factual basis you have to accuse me of collusion.


Problem is I literally don't recognize your individual right to ask a question of me. That's because you are not using a forum account with reputation and consequence. You could use that account to hurl invective, make up lies, say whatever you want and face no real negative outcomes because you literally don't care about it.

So I adopt a position of not granting your request because frankly I consider people posting with their mains have more credibility. Combine that with your admission that you got your main forum banned for bad-posting and frankly I think treating you seriously would be encouraging the wrong kind of behavior on the eve online forums.



A wise man knows when to listen.

M. Scott Peck wrote:

"An essential part of true listening is the discipline of bracketing, the temporary giving up or setting aside of one's own prejudices, frames of reference and desires so as to experience as far as possible the speaker's world from the inside, step inside his or her shoes. This unification of speaker and listener is actually an extension and enlargement of ourselves, and new knowledge is always gained from this. Moreover, since true listening involves bracketing, a setting aside of the self, it also temporarily involves a total acceptance of the other. Sensing this acceptance, the speaker will feel less and less vulnerable and more and more inclined to open up the inner recesses of his or her mind to the listener. As this happens, speaker and listener begin to appreciate each other more and more, and the duet dance of love is begun again."


A lot of people, probably myself included, could learn something from this.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#239 - 2012-07-06 02:10:06 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No can do, I got CCP annoyed in the process of bringing poor moderation to light. But, like I said, my identity as RubyPorto, of Sniggwaffe is pretty well established. So, since that's the only concern, why not answer the nice, simple question

Well since you are CFC and your opinion is indistinguishable from the rest of your coalition get somebody else to post with their main ... not "zim" though - since I'm still waiting for him to answer MY question.

And I see no point in providing you with an answer, since you'll just keep on posting exactly the same slander anyways, just like you did when 1.1 was announced and CCP, CSM and various goon directors said that no, we weren't afraid of you, no, we hadn't whined to CCP and no, CCP hadn't made any changes or begun planning any changes based on goon input. Even mittani tweeted about it, saying he would've had all of hisec wardecced if he could, and still you yammered on and on about how goons controlled CCP.

As for you, you've been claiming, repeatedly, and in every thread you can find that we've done something to you 4 years ago. You've provided no proof of any of this, all you've done is things like claim "I've been accused of RL prostitution, child pornography and child-sex abuse" and throw out a link to a site (with what can only be called a shady hostname of "crackerjax.org"), and call that proof.

Trouble is, nobody knows who owns it, who put it there, if it's been modified or fabricated, and in any case it doesn't even mention RL prostitution, child pornography or child-sex abuse, so god knows where you've gotten those ideas from or why you're so hellbent on seeing what our wiki actually contains (hint: you're not getting it, certainly not from me. Watching you squirm is more fun.).

I've no idea who the picture is of, either. You keep claiming it's you, but I've yet to see any evidence of that, so I'll take that with a pinch of salt as well. I've even asked you before where anyone of us (not you, us) linked anyone to a page which accuses you of RL prostitution, child pornography, child-sex abuse and shows your picture. It was completely ignored, so I can only assume that you're making that up as well, which just makes this whole process ever weirder, because the only one that's been slandering you by claiming you've been accused of RL prostitution, child pornography and child-sex abuse is ... you.

Jade Constantine wrote:
I'm really making it a point of principle. There is absolutely nothing to be evasive about on my side, you ask me the same question and I'm happy to give you an answer. (not that its a particularly difficult question)

So where's your proof, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#240 - 2012-07-06 02:15:00 UTC
Perhaps you lot could take this to OOPE and make your own thread there, rather than de-railing someone else's thread and risk getting it locked. Lets have a some common decency here eh?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.