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CCP: "Griefing" policy question

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Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#161 - 2011-10-09 02:32:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rocky Deadshot
I'm getting good lols from this whole thing, while I am a high sec "carebear", I enjoy a good laugh. My only concern are the use of work-arounds (some would say exploits) to get around the current sec system. For example, the use of Orcas to store ships and launch them for individuals to hop into on site (brilliant work around though.. kudos to whoever thought that up) so they can continue the gankfest after -5.

For awhile I've always thought that something needed a change in the sec system... to reinforce the -5 sec and you cant be in high sec... as well as the poding of individuals. Considering actually blowing up someones pod will have little to no financial gain for the individual that does it... and that it is against the rules in high sec, I propose the following changes:

If a player blows up another players ship in high security space having already attained a -5 sec status... concord will attempt to pod the player (make it so the player can still have a chance to get away) . Concord can continue to pursue this pod for 15mins or until the vacate high security space. With a possible banning from docking at stations during this time... although that could be left out. (obviously good pilots would never get podded from this system, but it would mean that they would have to return to low sec to wait out their timer)

The same consequence for anyone that pods another player in high sec would be applied. Again... its meant to be manageable situation that basically forces players out of high sec for the duration of their pod kill timer.

I know this looks like a buff, but its more along the lines of helping enforce the fact that high security space is policed and that the open use of work arounds and complete disregard for the system should be at least partially diminished.

Of course the other solution would be to remove Orca's from high sec... but other than dedicated null secers... i don't think anyone would really support that.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#162 - 2011-10-09 05:35:24 UTC
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
I'm getting good lols from this whole thing, while I am a high sec "carebear", I enjoy a good laugh. My only concern are the use of work-arounds (some would say exploits) to get around the current sec system. For example, the use of Orcas to store ships and launch them for individuals to hop into on site (brilliant work around though.. kudos to whoever thought that up) so they can continue the gankfest after -5.

For awhile I've always thought that something needed a change in the sec system... to reinforce the -5 sec and you cant be in high sec... as well as the poding of individuals. Considering actually blowing up someones pod will have little to no financial gain for the individual that does it... and that it is against the rules in high sec, I propose the following changes:

If a player blows up another players ship in high security space having already attained a -5 sec status... concord will attempt to pod the player (make it so the player can still have a chance to get away) . Concord can continue to pursue this pod for 15mins or until the vacate high security space. With a possible banning from docking at stations during this time... although that could be left out. (obviously good pilots would never get podded from this system, but it would mean that they would have to return to low sec to wait out their timer)

The same consequence for anyone that pods another player in high sec would be applied. Again... its meant to be manageable situation that basically forces players out of high sec for the duration of their pod kill timer.

I know this looks like a buff, but its more along the lines of helping enforce the fact that high security space is policed and that the open use of work arounds and complete disregard for the system should be at least partially diminished.

Of course the other solution would be to remove Orca's from high sec... but other than dedicated null secers... i don't think anyone would really support that.


I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#163 - 2011-10-09 05:39:15 UTC
The Apostle wrote:

I have no need to get angry Mittens, stop flattering yourself.

And hey, dislike me, pfft... I'm not here to win your heart darlin'...

Besides, I am very comfortable in the knowledge that I don't need 7,500 bo peeps to prop up my ego Twisted


shut up riverini

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#164 - 2011-10-09 05:39:51 UTC
i would be very comfortable in that much cushioning too

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Rocky Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#165 - 2011-10-09 05:54:07 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:


I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.


The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it.
Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it)

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2011-10-09 05:57:48 UTC
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.


The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it.
Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it)


There is a consequence for killing a pod in high sec. There isn't a rule preventing it. As long as you're willing to accept the consequence you're good to go.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#167 - 2011-10-09 06:01:37 UTC
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.


The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it.
Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it)




Just the fact that NPC pirates attack you if you warp to a belt and stay there (to mine for instance) would imply that there's a rule against doing it.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Kamden Line
Sovereign Citizen and other Tax Evasion Schemes
#168 - 2011-10-09 06:17:57 UTC
Griefing:

Some guy has perma-dec'd Red Frog Freight. He then spread the decks between five alt corps. He clearly has nothing to gain from it, but continues to deck Red Frog.

Not griefing:

Blowing up some guys hulk in an ice belt. It would be griefing if I specifically hunted him down and continued to do it, regardless of what he was flying and when.

Let's just say there's a fine line, and most know when they've crossed it.
Nerdy Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#169 - 2011-10-09 06:24:03 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Rocky Deadshot wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:


I have no idea what you're talking about here. There's never been a "rule" against podding anyone in high sec.


The fact that concord blow you up for podding someone in high sec would imply there is a rule against doing it.
Just like there is a rule against speeding on the highway... you can do it, and suffer the consequences (although in eve's case your less likely to get away with it)


There is a consequence for killing a pod in high sec. There isn't a rule preventing it. As long as you're willing to accept the consequence you're good to go.


Rules don't prevent action... They imply consequences FOR action.

Posting from phone so on alt.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#170 - 2011-10-09 07:16:31 UTC
Kamden Line wrote:
Griefing:

Some guy has perma-dec'd Red Frog Freight. He then spread the decks between five alt corps. He clearly has nothing to gain from it, but continues to deck Red Frog.

Not griefing:

Blowing up some guys hulk in an ice belt. It would be griefing if I specifically hunted him down and continued to do it, regardless of what he was flying and when.

Let's just say there's a fine line, and most know when they've crossed it.


Hi, my name is Malcanis and I'm in an alliance called The Initiative. We operate a policy popularly known as "NBSI", short for "Not Blue, Shoot It". This means that all of us consider anyone who is not in the alliance nor on the list of groups who we have specifically marked blue to be actively hostile to us. And that list is pretty short, by the way; I'm afraid to say that you're not on it.

According to our publically stated and consistently applied policy, we consider virtually everyone in EVE to be valid targets. We care nothing for the "laws" of Empire except insofar that they add a significant time/cost overhead to engaging targets of opportunity. Nor are we at all interested in your odd and unfounded belief that you're "entitled" to be considered friendly to us or that it's breaking some imaginary "rule" to treat you as hostile.

Our rules say that we can shoot you whenever we like, wherever we can, in whatever ship you're in, for any reason that suits our purposes. As far as we're concered, all space is hostile space, it's just that some parts of it has nastier gate rats with different aggro mechanics than others.

It's not personal - we're not interested in you at all as an individual player, it's just that, well, you're our enemy. We've chosen to draw a line with us and a very few select friends on this side: HERE <-- | -> THERE and everyone else on the "there" side. As I said - nothing personal, you're just on the wrong side.

Now as it happens, we currently have very few interests in hi-sec space, so as a matter of practicality, you're unlikely to be the focus of much attention from INIT. But rest assured that the second we find you between us and something we want, you will be. As it happens, Goonswarm Federation operates a policy and a philosophy similar to ours, albeit with a somewhat longer list of friends (they're much more likeable than we are). And it seems that a number of hi-sec players have interposed themselves between GSF and something they want.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#171 - 2011-10-09 07:49:13 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
As it happens, Goonswarm Federation operates a policy and a philosophy similar to ours, albeit with a somewhat longer list of friends (they're much more likeable than we are).

You guys should petition to join the DCF. We can space friends.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Prince Kobol
#172 - 2011-10-09 08:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
The funny thing is I used to think the goons where nothing more then prepubescent 12 yr old outcasts who were playing Eve as it is there only way at being able to shout out against a cruel world where they are shunned in every walk of life and are hated even by their own family, as well single 40 yr old virgins who still living with their parents and are attracted to the younger members of our society.

However now I would like to put that to one side and thank them for bringing some fun and excitement into High Sec.

Well done and keep up with the great work Big smile
Ntrails
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#173 - 2011-10-09 10:27:15 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Goonswarm Federation operates a policy and a philosophy similar to ours, albeit with a somewhat longer list of friends (they're much more likeable than we are).



it's easy to be likeable when you earn more isk in technetium during your morning poop than most people earn in a year
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#174 - 2011-10-09 19:29:10 UTC
podded four guys in jita already and i'm starting to get the hang of it

podding owns

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#175 - 2011-10-09 19:34:07 UTC
to be clear i am podding people for the sole reason to cause them to suffer with absolutely no benefit to me

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#176 - 2011-10-09 19:35:13 UTC
griefing them, as it were

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#177 - 2011-10-09 19:44:20 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
griefing them, as it were


The fraternity of mission runners would like to to thank you for your services towards the implant market.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#178 - 2011-10-09 20:00:01 UTC
Can't be bothered to read if anybody stated this but.

Hulkaggen was/is allowed.
Precedent set and blessed.
End of story.


Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din
Commonwealth Vanguard
#179 - 2011-10-09 21:34:02 UTC
I want to report some people for griefing please, I was out shooting people with my fleet today when someone maliciously killed one of my pilots, this ruined our day an dI am unhappy. Please ban all pvpers who are not on my side.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

The Apostle
Doomheim
#180 - 2011-10-09 22:15:42 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
I want to report some people for griefing please, I was out shooting people with my fleet today when someone maliciously killed one of my pilots, this ruined our day an dI am unhappy. Please ban all pvpers who are not on my side.

Stop crying, it must have been a CTA and is fully covered by the SRF.

You usually chase rats around PXF all day.

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