EVE General Discussion

I actually saw where a Goon, I think it was someone high up, quoted from the Goonwiki.

Regardless, that was one instance. Also, losing an argument is a far sight different from realizing you are arguing with a brick wall.

I actually did that. No one knows who owns it.

Considering I don't know your name, nationality, or indeed one single thing about you. I doubt that.


Frankly, people who have a problem with Alt posters just need to get the **** over it. What difference does it make if it's an Alt posting or not? It's the quality of the posts that count. People who **** and moan about Alts probably got embarrassed so badly on the forums by one that they want some revenge.

I only ever post on my main.

The fact that what you say here can have real in-game consequences (both good and bad) is key to the concept of main posting. In exchange for the risk you take by speaking with your main, your words have the potential to carry more weight, depending on who you are and what topic you are commenting on.

If a PVPer posting on their 50 m skillpoint main with an active and impressive killboard says "Weapon X is more effective than weapon Y when mounted on Ship Z" in a PVP discussion thread, they are more likely to be taken seriously by other PVPers on the thread than some 3 day old NPC corp sock puppet, even if the sock puppet is making the exact same point.

A large factor to the hate for alt posting is the fact that it shields the player's main from any repercussions that their words might have. This gives some players the perceived right to shiptoast or otherwise fill threads with meaningless trolls/threats/boasts or comments.

In the end, the choice of main posting or alt posting is all part of the EVE meta-game. Building a reputation with your main or trying to guide or influence conversations with an alt are just different strategies to the meta-game... just as mining and scamming are two legitimate strategies for making ISK in game.

That wasn't the question I asked him to ask.

In which case I must conclude you are simply unable to speak truthfully on this matter since that page on the mirror did indeed accurately represent the same page until a few weeks ago. (Only change was the goon admins removed the rl picture from your hosted version.)

Why would I be "honorable" and post with my main to a bunch of EVE-O forums yey-hoos? But seriously...

I use a flagrant anonymous posting alt because:
-It's kind of a psychology/sociology experiment. Having different internet personae, and seeing how people react to them. My main and alts each have different personalities.

-My main is a corp officer, and does corp recruiting. He's ambitious and someday wants to do something biggish. So like Petrus Blackshell, he's building a long-term persona and reputation. I try to say reasonably intelligent things with him.

-One alt I use to say whatever the hell I want. Might be obnoxious, controversial, or inflammatory. He's a meta-gamer. During the CSM elections I used him for subversion and trying to pick apart certain candidates and their supporters. It's a play-acting alt, really. This jerk alt gets a proportionally high amount of Likes.

-One alt is my innocent new carebear player alt. I use him to ask theoretical gameplay/strategy/tactics questions in New Citizens forum. He gets a proportionally high number of Likes too.

-I can't tell you about my other alts and whether or not they exist.

-Sometimes my alts talk to each other. They laugh at each other's jokes in threads and say "well said" and "true that." In fact, all of the anonymous alts posting in this thread are mine.

Obviously nobody is going to take your word for it, how about we have a web cached version of the wiki for the last few months and judge for ourselves when the changes were made? Or even an independently verified changelog? Should be possible to verify your claim.



The problem with your argument here "zim" is that you trying to claim a player who has suffered ooc harassment and abuse conducted in the name of your organization is actually to blame for complaining about said harassment and abuse. Your leader became the most public example of cyberbullying in eve online recent of course by suggesting that a fellow player should be trolled into suicide - but that hasn't stopped a number of the other goons doing some quite dodgy things yourselves. Had the goons in question lived in the UK doubtless we'd have a court case by now to add a little more spice and scandal to the reputation of Eve Online.

(I'm glad to see your knowledge of the law is as flawed as your knowledge of eve online gameplay matters though.)

Bottom line. You guys need to stop targeting people out of game for in-game reasons. Stop taking the game so seriously that you take it into the realm of personal real life harassment. Because in pushing this agenda you are backing CCP into a wall where eventually they are going to have kneejerk to do something about this to preserve any kind of professional reputation in the games industry and potential future investors.

Because I have 5 chars over 30mill sp and I really don't know which is my main

Actually, no one but you really cares about this.

Also confirming that Zim is completely correct in that you are the one making you look bad.