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Obmud
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2012-07-05 10:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Obmud
You remind me of those people who ask for Ninja Gaiden and Dark Souls to be easier, clearly they didnt get the idea of the underlying games. Same with EVE, EVE wouldnt be fun if it wouldnt be tedious in some areas, if the time involvement wouldnt be big if the Death Penalty wouldnt be harsh.

The game is simply not for you, but dont think you can justify it with calling others old farts who hide behind other stuff. Your brain is just more fit for easy satisfaction than those who play eve who look for something harder (which is more satisfying in my book in the end)

With your suggestions on what Eve "needs" you would completely destroy it.

Eve made my heart pump, **** my pants and be nervous wether i can escape the ****** situation i maneuvered myself into in 0.0 keeping me on the edge of the seat. No shooter ever. EVER will be able to copy that thrill except for Arma, but that is exactly like eve. Unforgiving, brutal and hard.

DayZ by the way taps into the same, and thats why i still believe in this market, some programmers understud that some gamers want and need harsh environments.

Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00

You should sig that, it will look good on you.
Screenlag
Armaggedon Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#22 - 2012-07-05 11:03:41 UTC
Get me dust for pc, and I'd play it. And it's not because Eve is too hard or demanding for me, just because I like diversity in the games I play.
Obmud
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-07-05 11:08:58 UTC
Screenlag wrote:
Get me dust for pc, and I'd play it. And it's not because Eve is too hard or demanding for me, just because I like diversity in the games I play.


100% this. Diversity. I dont demand a game that can do it all, that wouldbe foolish to think.

Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00

You should sig that, it will look good on you.
Othran
Route One
#24 - 2012-07-05 11:11:53 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.


It would be considerably more ingenious were it cross-platform. However I understand the economics of console-exclusive deals during the development phase so its understandable.

Not sure it'll last but I'm sure we'll soon see recruitment spam in Eve for players with a PS3 Smile
Ssakaa
Animatar Foundation
#25 - 2012-07-05 11:30:00 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:

Is dying with no penalty really dying?



Updated my Journal

"Modern Life is Rubbish"
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-07-05 11:32:17 UTC
Quote:
100% this. Diversity. I dont demand a game that can do it all, that wouldbe foolish to think
Quote:


I couldn't agree more.
Dust is also no forgiving in combat and also hard, just less politics making it a clean game
Ahri Jhan
Shadowkrieg
#27 - 2012-07-05 13:08:46 UTC
well this gives me hope for dust514

I'm guessing all those who quit or just don't have the time for Eve will flock to this game since sometimes Eve can get way too hardcore for others to enjoy it.

Now that another window into the Eve universe is open, it can fit with others playstyles accordingly

still waiting on that PC version though...Blink

~AJ~
The Protato
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-05 13:15:05 UTC
Didn't know DUST was released? If you're talking about the beta, a lot needs fixing.
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-05 13:31:47 UTC
console is for fifa, pc is for fps.

im playing Dust, I like the concept - it reminds me a little of C&C Renegade, I just wouldnt play it a lot due to the console FPS problem.

[Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits?](https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=199765)
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-07-05 13:35:44 UTC
Othran wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.


It would be considerably more ingenious were it cross-platform. However I understand the economics of console-exclusive deals during the development phase so its understandable.

Not sure it'll last but I'm sure we'll soon see recruitment spam in Eve for players with a PS3 Smile


Cross platform? On FPS? Never will happen. Console controls cannot compare to keyboard and mouse for FPS; PC players would slaughter the console players by the thousands. And it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with skill, a keyboard and mouse is just that much more efficient then a console controller.

That being said, it would have been great to get a player base from all the major gaming platforms for dust. The more the merrier IMO.

James315 for CSM 8!
Azurius Dante
Banana Corp
#31 - 2012-07-05 14:01:01 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
I wouldn't be playing dust if i was pissed and being killed Roll


Because you stated, "getting killed is less problematic".
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-05 14:15:51 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
The penalty is that it goes on your profil, as dust charaters are mercs, stats matter, after all you would hire a merc to take out a PI with huge losses and besides its less politics! thats got to be good news.

Wtf are you talking about?

This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#33 - 2012-07-05 14:36:50 UTC
I'd love to play dust IF IT WAS RELEASED FOR THE GOD DAMN PC!!!!Evil
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-07-05 14:59:53 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
The penalty is that it goes on your profil, as dust charaters are mercs, stats matter, after all you would hire a merc to take out a PI with huge losses and besides its less politics! thats got to be good news.

Wtf are you talking about?

This guy has no idea what he's talking about.




Well i guess we all should listen to you then? as your an expert, how oftern do you play Dust?, i was just saying to my glove puppet the other day, Eve goons would have a great prespetive on the new Dust Fps, so do you know what the Dust team are working on, because a bit of inside information could help me develop in the game Smile
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-07-05 16:54:50 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Othran wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.


It would be considerably more ingenious were it cross-platform. However I understand the economics of console-exclusive deals during the development phase so its understandable.

Not sure it'll last but I'm sure we'll soon see recruitment spam in Eve for players with a PS3 Smile


Cross platform? On FPS? Never will happen. Console controls cannot compare to keyboard and mouse for FPS; PC players would slaughter the console players by the thousands. And it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with skill, a keyboard and mouse is just that much more efficient then a console controller.

That being said, it would have been great to get a player base from all the major gaming platforms for dust. The more the merrier IMO.


Dust already has KBM support. CCP confirmed this months ago.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-07-05 17:05:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
Malcanis wrote:
Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.


Do you play Dust? It doesn't sound like you do. It is not really casual-friendly at all. You need to learn the skill tree, and make a skill plan. If you put your SP all over the place you are not going to be very effective on the field. You need to set up fittings and deal with PG/CPU. When you die you lose your weapon and equipment. Dust is to FPS what EVE is to MMOs. It is not the casual friendly game you are making it out to be.

I hope the creator of EVE Mon adds Dust support. The last thing I need is another 3rd party program for my CCP games :P It will be equally as important to have a skillplan in Dust as it is in EVE.

Edit: This is not a bash on Dust at all, if anything it is a compliment. There is a giant hole in the market for a hardcore, tactical shooter. Not all FPS fans are braindead (like the OP kinda appears to be), many of us want more substance in our game. It looks like Dust is going to offer that. Dust has huge potential, we will see what it looks like at release.
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-07-05 18:02:03 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Dust offers what the EVE experience badly needs - "pick up and play" quick-entry, casual-friendly gameplay. Historically adding such gameplay into "hardcore" (for want of a better term) games leads to diluting the experience. Seperating out the casual playstyle into a closely linked but seperate game is an ingenious way of squaring that circle.


Do you play Dust? It doesn't sound like you do. It is not really casual-friendly at all. You need to learn the skill tree, and make a skill plan. If you put your SP all over the place you are not going to be very effective on the field. You need to set up fittings and deal with PG/CPU. When you die you lose your weapon and equipment. Dust is to FPS what EVE is to MMOs. It is not the casual friendly game you are making it out to be.

I hope the creator of EVE Mon adds Dust support. The last thing I need is another 3rd party program for my CCP games :P It will be equally as important to have a skillplan in Dust as it is in EVE.

Edit: This is not a bash on Dust at all, if anything it is a compliment. There is a giant hole in the market for a hardcore, tactical shooter. Not all FPS fans are braindead (like the OP kinda appears to be), many of us want more substance in our game. It looks like Dust is going to offer that. Dust has huge potential, we will see what it looks like at release.


Yes I do play dust, I’m not saying it’s an easy game, I enjoy it very much only trouble is the server keeps going down, I agree with you about the skill tree and I’m still learning about the game, it was a surprise though to discover that none of the current Eve ships are currently being used and a joy to find a battle, at the moment I just train in a similar style to that of Eve, Eft and Evemon would be a great advantage.
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-07-05 18:05:24 UTC  |  Edited by: TEABO BAGGINS
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
I haven’t played EVE very much over the last 5 months, I have lost interest in all the politics and poorly balanced game mechanics, however I have had a great time playing Dust, it’s so easy to form squads, characters are less defined by your own personality and getting killed is less problematic, its great shooting people in the head instead of a pod, it’s made me think than EVE online is full of old time gamers who hide behind politics and manipulating game mechanics, perhaps you could say the 9 year old game is getting too long in the tooth even with updates, just a bunch of old farts hanging on to what they believe is rightly theirs, let’s face it, space is unlimited in size and potential species, even uncharted with no A-Z guide, EVE’s nothing like that!, more a Facebook with generic mechanics.
So I’m curious how many Eve players play dust? And are Eve characters more superior to Dust characters?


I'm hyped on both games right now. I love FPS but but what bugs me about it is the monotony and the feeling I'm not accomplishing anything in the long term with games like BF3.. Once I unlock a certain weapon the game basically ends for me, I think DUST will be different in that there's more to it than just trying to unlock a certain weapon.

I'm pretty fail at social games and with my age/history of my pilot (i have no player corp history except an NPC corp) I am exiled from joining EVE corps because no one believes that I'm not an alt. I was so paranoid for 2 years that I didn't join any corps. But I realize now how silly that was standing as it is the most I would loose is a hundred or so million from a recruitment scam, which is not much of a risk now that I realize it.

it's too late because no one will take a chance recruiting me so my best hope is with DUST where I can just shoot ppl in the face in the EVE universe and not have to worry about speaking the right eloquent words to them. From what I've played of DUST I'm already satisfied with the action, the times I saw teamplay come together it was beautiful despite the rough edges of it being in beta.

I'm not a rambo god but when ppl know how to play as team in FPS I shine. I hope with DUST that I find my way into a good corp for both my pilot and my merc, but even if I don't find that I'm used to playing FPS without a clan, I look for random people playing as a team and tag along with them..

The fact that I loved what I've played of DUST and I am very familair with EVE's universe I'm proby going to be playing mostly DUST but I'm hoping I can transfer isk from my pilot to my merc without having to mule it through a corp possibly get ripped off before the isk makes it to my merc. Still no word on if that will be possible or not, to interchange isk between pilot/merc.
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-07-05 18:11:26 UTC
TEABO BAGGINS wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
I haven’t played EVE very much over the last 5 months, I have lost interest in all the politics and poorly balanced game mechanics, however I have had a great time playing Dust, it’s so easy to form squads, characters are less defined by your own personality and getting killed is less problematic, its great shooting people in the head instead of a pod, it’s made me think than EVE online is full of old time gamers who hide behind politics and manipulating game mechanics, perhaps you could say the 9 year old game is getting too long in the tooth even with updates, just a bunch of old farts hanging on to what they believe is rightly theirs, let’s face it, space is unlimited in size and potential species, even uncharted with no A-Z guide, EVE’s nothing like that!, more a Facebook with generic mechanics.
So I’m curious how many Eve players play dust? And are Eve characters more superior to Dust characters?


I'm hyped on both games right now. I love FPS but but what bugs me about it is the monotony and the feeling I'm not accomplishing anything in the long term with games like BF3.. Once I unlock a certain weapon the game basically ends for me, I think DUST will be different in that there's more to it than just trying to unlock a certain weapon.

I'm pretty fail at social games and with my age/history of my pilot (i have no player corp history except an NPC corp) I am exiled from joining EVE corps because no one believes that I'm not an alt. I was so paranoid for 2 years that I didn't join any corps. But I realize now how silly that was standing as it is the most I would loose is a hundred or so million from a recruitment scam, which is not much of a risk now that I realize it.

it's too late because no one will take a chance recruiting me so my best hope is with DUST where I can just shoot ppl in the face in the EVE universe and not have to worry about speaking the right eloquent words to them. From what I've played of DUST I'm already satisfied with the action, the times I saw teamplay come together it was beautiful despite the rough edges of it being in beta.

I'm not a rambo god but when ppl know how to play as team in FPS I shine. I hope with DUST that I find my way into a good corp for both my pilot and my merc, but even if I don't find that I'm used to playing FPS without a clan, I look for random people playing as a team and tag along with them..

The fact that I loved what I've played of DUST and I am very familair with EVE's universe I'm proby going to be playing mostly DUST but I'm hoping I can transfer isk from my pilot to my merc without having to mule it through a corp possibly get ripped off before the isk makes it to my merc. Still no word on if that will be possible or not, to interchange isk between pilot/merc.




Excellent post thank you Smile
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-07-05 19:00:37 UTC
Screenlag wrote:
Get me dust for pc, and I'd play it. And it's not because Eve is too hard or demanding for me, just because I like diversity in the games I play.


This tbh, this !

i would stop playing some random FPS from random editor only good to play at first hours after ptach, day after is more about 80% aimboters

brb
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