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Highsec vs 0.0 - enough is enough, time to add some risk to the real carebears!
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#61 - 2012-07-05 16:57:35 UTC
use a wormhole to enter system, log off with a covops cyno, have a guy reporting the contents of their intel channel, use a scout
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#62 - 2012-07-05 17:02:48 UTC
strenif wrote:
I'm a 0.0 guy and I'm out here not because it's 'safer' (it isn't) but because the threats are clearly marked.

When I have to make a run to highsec I'm more nervous when I get then then when I'm flying through null. Anyone of the hundred people in local could be a suicide ganker or they could be a normal person. I equate the scenario to a solder being on the beaches of Normandy vs the streets of Baghdad. In the former, the bad guys are waring uniforms. The later the bad guys look like the noncombatants that surround you on a daily basis. Which do you think is safer and which do you think is less nerve wracking?

Exactly this

I suppose the safety in all levels of EVE is the same: You can be shot anytime, anywhere, by anyone

But the perceived security is different across different areas in space.
And for me at least, the perceived security is higher in nullsec than in highsec.
There are also more perceived threats in highsec than nullsec

Basically what I'm saying is that you're all a massive bunch of pussies and REAL MEN with REAL BAWLS live in lowsec Pirate





You know I'm right and you're just jelly that you ain't a BAWS

There should be a rather awesome pic here
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-07-05 17:10:32 UTC
This notion of high sec being safer never fails to amuse me.

I'm my time in eve I've lived in stain, Insmother, cobalt edge. I've raided goon, test and many others. To this day my death and ship loses are still great than in 0.0.

Most alliance held space only has a few entties to it. Intel gate bubbles ......

Change the tune and find something else to spam forums with

Pog mo thoin

Orici Saraki
Pixar Industries
#64 - 2012-07-05 17:17:29 UTC
Best Intel, Local Channel!
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#65 - 2012-07-05 17:27:59 UTC
Nah really... Local is easy mode.


But hey, if you don't want local, go in a wormhole. All I gotta say.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#66 - 2012-07-05 17:33:19 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:


You know I'm right and you're just jelly that you ain't a BAWS


You have the same problem in high sec that I have. You are so used to neutrals being bad guys out to get you that you think everything is a threat. Truth is however that high sec is far safer. Just look at the mess in Delve.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#67 - 2012-07-05 17:33:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
While his ideas are derptarded, the basic premise that nullbearing is as safe or safer than hisec bearing is valid.


do you say this from personal experience or are you just making nonsense up


This goon he mad, he very mad. Very stupid too. Ain't hard to probe out a WH that goes to null...

I poped into FA space the other day, man if that WH was not bubbled to **** and man if I did not see epic numbers of hulks mining...

Nullbears gona bear.

Not to mention the NAP going on. For this lowlife goon to say ANYTHING about risk is a JOKE.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2012-07-05 17:34:35 UTC
COWARD GOON *posts behind NPC forum alt*
Shidhe
The Babylon5 Consortuim
#69 - 2012-07-05 17:41:02 UTC
Low sec!!! Actually make low sec worthwhile, relative to the relative security of both hi sec and 0.0. A major industry upgrade in EvE concentrating on the following will help significantly:

1) Making low sec relatively more profitable (can be done without increasing direct money inputs)
2) Making more extended supply chains so that goods have to be shipped further - including through low sec.
3) (Most obvious) Stop planetary interaction in Hi sec.
4) Start including planetary defense and blockade running contracts and missions more generally, as part of the build up to Dust.
5) More stuff to build, requiring a larger variety of materials.

Good economy = population = targets = ship blown up = good economy = .......
TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2012-07-05 17:41:37 UTC
Removing local won't wont solve much except making the few carebears willing to go there stay out all together.
Gun Gal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-07-05 17:43:08 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Alaya Carrier wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec


His ideas might be very dumb, but they are not dumber than most 0.0 dwellers ideas.


tell me the dumb ideas that normally come from 0.0 dwellers


As someone who has spent more years in nullsec than most have played, these are valid and good ideas.

Nullsec is the ultimate carebearland, I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-07-05 17:50:09 UTC
If some Null sec space is safe it's because people living there make it safe, it's not given because you put some sov structure and pay concord bills with bananas.

Moon goo and sov need changes, seems ever one agrees on that, but telling null sec is safe dude you have no clue what you're talking about. Biggest difference with high sec is that we use standings and intell chans to create some safety and eventually spot big threats to deal with hose.

I've got some high sec toon and think it's quite nice except maybe how easy it is to gank mining barges, it's really stupid as situation, aside this I'd say high sec has far too many industry slots and not enough market taxes but everything else is +/- cool.

Instead of whining go there with a couple friends to see how safe it is and have some fun.

brb
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-07-05 17:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Gun Gal wrote:
I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"guys it's far more risky to afk mine in Sobaseki during Hulkageddon or to autopilot my officer fit Nightmare through gates in hisec than it is to rat in a T2 fit Tengu in nullsec"

i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-07-05 17:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Richard Desturned wrote:
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
While his ideas are derptarded, the basic premise that nullbearing is as safe or safer than hisec bearing is valid.


do you say this from personal experience or are you just making nonsense up


...even if he doesn't I can. Much of what he is saying is true. though I'm not sure I like my semi-permanant structures losing even more defenses as suggested, I would really like some changes to local chat.

Quote:
i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection


...and the obligatory goon noobish troll to spout the goon hardline propaganda along with a large dose of negative stereotyping.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#75 - 2012-07-05 18:00:30 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"guys it's far more risky to afk mine in Sobaseki during Hulkageddon or to autopilot my officer fit Nightmare through gates in hisec than it is to rat in a T2 fit Tengu in nullsec"

i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection

Yeah, I always... wondered about that.

I think it's because they can't get into the nullsec coalitions that are safe. Well I'm sure you can try and join a renter in the Delve areas, but their sov is going ~fast~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-07-05 18:02:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.


i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection


Truth is, they'd rather join your alliance for protection, but more people might cause an overflow error and permanently break the game.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2012-07-05 18:05:39 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#78 - 2012-07-05 18:06:01 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec


His ideas might be very dumb, but they are not dumber than most 0.0 dwellers ideas.

Richard Desturned wrote:
another NPC corp poster regales us with his well-informed and unbiased insights on nullsec

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#79 - 2012-07-05 18:09:20 UTC
Yes, let's roll back the CONCORD buff from three years ago…
TotalCareBear
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-07-05 18:13:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
I get more risk in low/highsec than ever in null.


ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"guys it's far more risky to afk mine in Sobaseki during Hulkageddon or to autopilot my officer fit Nightmare through gates in hisec than it is to rat in a T2 fit Tengu in nullsec"

i do love all of the hiseccers talking about how nullsec is too safe yet they stay in hisec because, apparently, they enjoy living on ~the edge~ under concord protection


You are correct, afking in Sobaseki gates is safer than afking in Tenal belts, but when ratting the risk is about the same.



Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
If some Null sec space is safe it's because people living there make it safe, it's not given because you put some sov structure and pay concord bills with bananas.

Moon goo and sov need changes, seems ever one agrees on that, but telling null sec is safe dude you have no clue what you're talking about. Biggest difference with high sec is that we use standings and intell chans to create some safety and eventually spot big threats to deal with hose.

I've got some high sec toon and think it's quite nice except maybe how easy it is to gank mining barges, it's really stupid as situation, aside this I'd say high sec has far too many industry slots and not enough market taxes but everything else is +/- cool.

Instead of whining go there with a couple friends to see how safe it is and have some fun.


You make it safe, thanks to the game mechanics. Local gives immunity to individual ships. JB/JF/Capitals give you far easier access to quick and safe logistics, allowing you to run all the infrastructure, which in turn makes it really tedious(also non-rewarding) to attack that huge infrastructure.

Now, you can argue that local has always been this way and the game is built around it, but POS grinding was really bad even before JB/JF/Capital hauling, and this made it only worse.