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Devalued ISHUKONE Shirt? CCP Marketing Malpractice? [UPDATE]

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#421 - 2012-07-03 17:55:42 UTC
Cloned S0ul wrote:
Here is super solution , we need Tailor profession in game and ability to patent clothes design. so every one become orginal and uniqe person in eve P Oh wait CCP already got this job ;)



I want to be Elim Garak from DS9 too!!!

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#422 - 2012-07-03 21:09:37 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
And CCP, is there a reason why you are not letting us know of your decision? You claimed that you will provide us with information on Friday, but it's already Wednesday now. Do you really wish us to continue this senseless "moaning and bickering" amongst us?
Arcane Sun
Doomheim
#423 - 2012-07-04 06:27:39 UTC
Almost a week and still no response, CCP troll is best troll.Big smile

Ya know, if they made clothing optional we probably wouldn't even be having this thread.

They should just give the original recipients of the shirt a provokingly large belt buckle, some really tight pants or at least a pimp cup to hold all their tears in. After all whats a shirt without the rest of the outfit?

If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#424 - 2012-07-04 08:03:28 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Arcane Sun wrote:
Almost a week and still no response, CCP troll is best troll.Big smile

Ya know, if they made clothing optional we probably wouldn't even be having this thread.

They should just give the original recipients of the shirt a provokingly large belt buckle, some really tight pants or at least a pimp cup to hold all their tears in. After all whats a shirt without the rest of the outfit?


Or a provocatively visible golden crown with aurum tokens embellishing the sides.

Or a big fat hat that says "Fool." Either way, they are unique and I won't have any quarrel with em.
iskflakes
#425 - 2012-07-04 14:32:39 UTC
Still awaiting the announced fixes. A lot of us are billions out of pocket over this.

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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#426 - 2012-07-04 19:26:05 UTC
Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP.

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#427 - 2012-07-04 20:54:45 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:
Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP.


Here is CCP's response for now.

"The Antiquarian wrote:
Dear CCP Bayesian, could you politely "poke" our CCP t0rfifrans and kindly have him announce CCP's decision regarding the Ishukone Special Edition shirt & Women Executor (Red/Gold)? He promised that he will provide with the answers on Friday, but it's already been five days now.

CCP Bayesian:
I poked him and the answer is that it's still being worked on."
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#428 - 2012-07-04 20:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
The Antiquarian wrote:
Adalun Dey wrote:
Please, keep us updated on CCP's response, OP.


Here is CCP's response for now.

"The Antiquarian wrote:
Dear CCP Bayesian, could you politely "poke" our CCP t0rfifrans and kindly have him announce CCP's decision regarding the Ishukone Special Edition shirt & Women Executor (Red/Gold)? He promised that he will provide with the answers on Friday, but it's already been five days now.

CCP Bayesian:
I poked him and the answer is that it's still being worked on."



Considering the obvious complexity of this issue, is it really surprising that a suitable and fair compromise is still being hashed out? Should I have my shirt taken off my back? Would that be fair? Because I knew nothing about the shirt originally being part of some special offer and bought mine in good faith. So how would you compensate me? Just give me back the Aurum I spent on it, maybe give me a free standard edition shirt as well?

When you can tell me what a fair compromise is, that's about the same time as you should expect a response about this from CCP.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#429 - 2012-07-04 23:34:16 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
When you can tell me what a fair compromise is, that's about the same time as you should expect a response about this from CCP.


I'm sure any piece of clothing that can't be attained through other channels would be considered fair compromise. Even a simple change in colors would make it unique. Maybe a shirt that says "Oops" would be nice as well. I think the issue is more to get something unique (limited), a collectible so to speak. What exactly matters less.

Right?

[i]" Take my love, take my land, take me where I can not stand, I don't care, I'm still free. You can't take the sky from me. "[/i]
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#430 - 2012-07-05 03:55:15 UTC
Adalun Dey wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
When you can tell me what a fair compromise is, that's about the same time as you should expect a response about this from CCP.


I'm sure any piece of clothing that can't be attained through other channels would be considered fair compromise. Even a simple change in colors would make it unique. Maybe a shirt that says "Oops" would be nice as well. I think the issue is more to get something unique (limited), a collectible so to speak. What exactly matters less.

Right?


Agree absolutely
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#431 - 2012-07-05 16:16:14 UTC
It's been a week already and we haven't received any response.

Are we suppose to spend the weekend again, waiting?
Benjamin Eastwood
#432 - 2012-07-05 18:33:21 UTC
mmorpg lol wrote:
aboo! aboo! The free lamborghini keychain I got with my lamborghini is now on sale for 5 bux. brb, suing lamborghini.


This is exactly how I see this.

+1

"Endless ISK, the sinews of war"
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#433 - 2012-07-05 19:47:29 UTC
I WANT ALL THE MONOCLES.

Damn nature, you scary!
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#434 - 2012-07-05 20:38:53 UTC
Admitting the mistake and saying "Let's find a way to make this as far to as many people as possible" is not code for "We're going to take away everyone else's shirts and leave you with your exclusive" or "We're going to leave the shirts in but give you your 13 plexes back" or something to that effect.

In other words, you're still unlikely to leave unhappy.

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fofofo
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#435 - 2012-07-05 20:48:18 UTC
"As fair to as many as possible" does not mean "fair to the extremely few collectors." Guess which side you're going to be on.
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#436 - 2012-07-06 05:22:10 UTC  |  Edited by: The Antiquarian
Mechael wrote:
Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'.


That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay.

It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run?

More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.

Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#437 - 2012-07-06 13:12:06 UTC
The Antiquarian wrote:
Mechael wrote:
Fair would be the removal of Aurum from EVE. Just sayin'.


That is a pathetic answer. There is nothing wrong with Aurum system. It provides additional cash inflow for CCP while having absolutely no impact on the pre-existing capusleers' gameplay.

It is a system only for those who are willing to spend their own money purely for cosmetic purpose. Do you think having CCP rely on "almost free-to-play" model by allowing capsuleers to fund their own subscription via ISK, sustainable in the long run?

More cash inflow => Higher valuation of the company => the cost of capital goes down for both, equity and debt => better financing options from willing banks and other investors => more employees, more gameplay, more expansions, more Dust, more WoD, more EVE Online, more compensated CCP employees, more quality contents => Win-Win situation for all the stakeholders.

Don't just think about the short-term. Think about what is best for EVE Online and CCP in the long-run for Christ's sake.



It should be noted that CCP makes more money from people using PLEX to fund their accounts than they would do if those same people paid via credit/debit card. This is because in order for them to use a PLEX, someone must first have purchased one for real money. As it stands, a PLEX costs £/$19.99 whereas a subscription paid by credit/debit card currently runs at £9.99 or $14.99. So as you can see, CCP earn a considerable amount more when people use a PLEX to fund their game time.


tl;dr PLEX users = lots more income for CCP, not less.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#438 - 2012-07-06 13:19:05 UTC
Obsidian Dagger wrote:
This was the main problem as I saw it back then. The only 'safe' way to do it would be to trade in an existing normal scorpion plus aurum to get the ishukone scorpion - that way the industrialists wouldn't be screwed out of the game.


So it would work just like an LP store, which I like.

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Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#439 - 2012-07-06 15:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
$ 200 for a (virtual) t-shirt and now everyone can wear/get one for "free" ?

What an atrocity, my outrage can bearly be contained, if there only was something one could do about it.

Except buying t-shirts for $ 200 of course, that would be just a stupid solution.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#440 - 2012-07-06 15:54:09 UTC
I really see no need for personal insults here. If you cannot be civil, then perhaps you should use the very handy little block function that CCP have given us so that you do not have to see certain people posting. At the rate you are going this thread will be locked and you will end up getting a warning, I'm pretty certain that will not help anyone.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.