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Old Games Vs New Games

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Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#1 - 2012-07-04 12:47:29 UTC
You can call me bitter but I have not had a challenge in a computer game since such games as Rayman 1, Abes Oddysee and several of the first Need for Speeds.

Is it just me or is every single game released since Xbox360 and PS3 hit the market, been so god damn easy and mostly focused on eye candy?

I am a major fan of Abe Oddysee/Exoddus and then some little sneaky news on Steam said they were re-making it over but in HD, then I read further and as soon as I read the part that said

"It stresses that this will be a new game, to be shown off later this year. It later clarified that while this project is starting "from scratch," it's using the original game as a blueprint."

I for one would pay £30 for a HD version of the EXACT same game, levels, characters, story. Remakes of classics have happened many times and all they end up being is broken down versions with shiny graphics.

I wish I was back in the days of N64 and PS1 :(
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#2 - 2012-07-04 12:56:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
Couldnt agree with you more, in the last 8 years game quality has gone nothing but down hill. Its laughable. Spending 50 euro on a game you will complete and be finished with in like 4 or 5 hours. And companies wonder why they are loosing millions to piracy still.

Gone are the days of Sacrifice, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, System Shock 1 & 2, proper games that are challenging and worth the money.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#3 - 2012-07-04 13:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
Couldnt agree with you more, in the last 8 years game quality has gone nothing but down hill. Its laughable. Spending 50 euro on a game you will complete and be finished with in like 4 or 5 hours. And companies wonder why they are loosing millions to piracy still.

Gone are the days of Sacrifice, Giants: Citizen Kabuto, System Shock 1 & 2, proper games that are challenging and worth the money.


Do you remember the first few resident evils? like honestly, the gameplay, the puzzles. The controller vibrating to your heartbeat as you open the door for the first time....

**** i even remember Alone In the Dark, the original and New Nightmare, those were great games 0_0

The resident evil, a FPS multliplayer like Left 4 Dead except worse in everyway.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#4 - 2012-07-04 13:06:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nirnias Stirrum
I do i do.. I never completed it i got stuck near the end.. In fact to this day i still have not been able to complete Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9! Im stuck on the last boss in every one >.< lol hmmm think i might break out the PS2 when i get home and start FF7 again from scratch.

Sacrifice had 5 different campagins. Each campaign took you freaking AGES to complete the and story was incredible. and it was a damn had game!

Giants: Citizen Kabuto was HILARIOUS.. by far the funniest game i have ever played, not that difficult but the quality of the game always made it stick!

Or Mario Kart & Zelda: Orcarina of Time for the N64 if you want to talk about consoles also!

I remember when i first started playing System Shock 2, i dunno what age i was young maybe 14 or 15. I had to stop playing it cause it was scary and damn hard! in fact now that i think about it **** i still havnt completed that either. I could never figure out the code for the elevator near the end. the one where you have to find parts of the code in the pictures hung up around the place.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-07-04 13:11:28 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
You can call me bitter but I have not had a challenge in a computer game since such games as Rayman 1, Abes Oddysee and several of the first Need for Speeds.

Is it just me or is every single game released since Xbox360 and PS3 hit the market, been so god damn easy and mostly focused on eye candy?

I am a major fan of Abe Oddysee/Exoddus and then some little sneaky news on Steam said they were re-making it over but in HD, then I read further and as soon as I read the part that said

"It stresses that this will be a new game, to be shown off later this year. It later clarified that while this project is starting "from scratch," it's using the original game as a blueprint."

I for one would pay £30 for a HD version of the EXACT same game, levels, characters, story. Remakes of classics have happened many times and all they end up being is broken down versions with shiny graphics.

I wish I was back in the days of N64 and PS1 :(


I agree, and I love Abe Oddysee/Exoddus (got both on my PSP, and originals for PS1). Hope the remake is decent.

Most new games are toned down to such a degree that they can sell it to most of the dumbed down population. And I see it all the time in new games, people complaining that they are not spoon fed the contents without having to do anything.

The desire to explore, to find out, to understand.. gone for most people. They are just spoon fed trivial entertainment.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#6 - 2012-07-04 13:14:45 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
I do i do.. I never completed it i got stuck near the end.. In fact to this day i still have not been able to complete Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9! Im stuck on the last boss in every one >.< lol hmmm think i might break out the PS2 when i get home and start FF7 again from scratch.

Sacrifice had 5 different campagins. Each campaign took you freaking AGES to complete the and story was incredible. and it was a damn had game!

Giants: Citizen Kabuto was HILARIOUS.. by far the funniest game i have ever played, not that difficult but the quality of the game always made it stick!

Or Mario Kart & Zelda: Orcarina of Time for the N64 if you want to talk about consoles also!

I remember when i first started playing System Shock 2, i dunno what age i was young maybe 14 or 15. I had to stop playing it cause it was scary and damn hard! in fact now that i think about it **** i still havnt completed that either. I could never figure out the code for the elevator near the end. the one where you have to find parts of the code in the pictures hung up around the place.


You sound older than me :D :D :D

I never played Giants or Sacrafice, I did however play Zelda, I tried and I failed at every Final Fantasy, I remember renting Final Fantasy VII out of "Global Video" when I was young and god, never got far in the week I played it lol.

I dont own a PS2 anymore, I was in the indoor market back home last month and this guy in the PC repair shop had a PS2 for sale for £20 BUT he was sitting playing NFS Hot Pursuit on a playstation 1. I offered him £50 fukin for it and all the games he had, he just would not part with it.

I still remember playing Pandamonium, that game was amazing.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#7 - 2012-07-04 13:24:25 UTC
Am only 25 but still young in my mind :P

You can pick up PS2 consoles on ebay for next to nothing these days sure. Used ones are probably even cheaper! Im more of a PC gamer than a console gamer though. There are only a select few titles i would play on a console, i.e Final Fantasy 7-9 or Assassins creed.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2012-07-04 14:10:31 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Do you remember the first few resident evils? like honestly, the gameplay, the puzzles. The controller vibrating to your heartbeat as you open the door for the first time....


I remember the first Resident Evil. It was terrible. Horrible voice acting, camera angles that prevented you from seeing the zombie that was 3 feet in front of you, a glack 9 mm that would fire one round ever few seconds...all the tension of the game was from ****** mechanics, not from actual scary moments. It was crap. It was just novel crap.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-07-04 14:37:53 UTC
Oh dear, most of those games were out at a time I wasn't playing much, but before that, I remember spending weeks on the first Zelda on NES or Super Mario bros 3. Was also the era or Tetris on gameboy and Sonic on gamegear. I remember there was another portable console, with more advanced games at the time, but can't remember the name. Those 8bits/16bits games got me hooked hours long with their repetitive music and 2D graphics, but damn... I loved it.
My very first video game though, was a batman on Amstrad, dunno if it's been sold outside France, but that wasn't very different from Amiga at the time, just not as cool Lol

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2012-07-04 15:56:08 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
I do i do.. I never completed it i got stuck near the end.. In fact to this day i still have not been able to complete Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9! Im stuck on the last boss in every one >.< lol hmmm think i might break out the PS2 when i get home and start FF7 again from scratch.

You should try FFV.

Also get Mario RPG on your Computer, it is... There are no words but it's like Mario Final Fantasy.

Used to have FF7 and 9, never liked 8. FF9 is my favorite, 7 has the best story.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#11 - 2012-07-04 16:42:09 UTC
It's no so much a case of older games being better as it is a case of the industry growing and "big business" having a huge influence over quality, content and delivery (for the worse). While more people game now than 15 years ago, most of the new gamers are casuals with no sense of standards. Playing Madden or the 56th rehash of Call of Duty on a 360 pretty much makes you a casual. Gaming IS big business and somewhat of a forced trend.

Going -10 IRL means nothing. If all the big names in the industry all go bankrupt today, it would mean nothing for video games. When was the last time EA, Activision or hell even Valve released something noteworthy? The best thing Valve does these days is sell HL2 mods that used to be/should be free.

I'd tell people to pirate as much as they want but honestly, there are very little titles worth pirating. Buy yourself a SNES, n64 & a Dreamcast off ebay and download a bunch of PC games from the mid to late 90s and you're pretty much set for life. Or at least until the video game industry pulls its head out of its rear and decided to stop letting their greed get in the way of creativity.
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#12 - 2012-07-04 18:01:22 UTC
I remember an old Indana Jones game for the computer'mostly adventure style. It was the GOD DAMN HARDEST game I've ever played. I had to draw chalk on the walls to not get lost. Now all modern games have a built in GPS system, even if your playing some wizard-knight-thing in the 12th century lol.

The only real big hits now that are actually a bit difficult and arent rehashed copies of more garbage are the X3 series, The Witcher, and KOTOR.

Mass Effect series and Edler Scroll series get honorable mention too. They may be dumbed down and casual but they ARE good.
Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-07-04 18:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jett0
Alara IonStorm wrote:
You should try FFV.


Woo, someone else liked that one!

For new, hard games, look at the indie stuff.

Super Meat Boy is a personal favorite.

Occasionally plays sober

Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2012-07-04 18:45:23 UTC
Jett0 wrote:

Woo, someone else liked that one!

Loved it. For a top down FF Game it had a brilliant story. My favorite part is when you first see the main villain.

Exdeath returns. Whole thing is good but the awesome is at about 2:10. Exdeath has Sephiroth levels of awesome while on SNES without the Girl Hair, Long, log sword and Overcoat, not that I don't love those things.

The whole FF5 Story is one of the best. I can't wait till they make a 3D version like they did with 1 through 4.
Nachteule Kohen
#15 - 2012-07-04 19:57:21 UTC
they are made easier to make more money, blizzard knows this very well.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-07-05 00:41:49 UTC
It depends on the game, some hold up much better than others. For example square rereleasing Tactics: Ogre was in some regards a better game than some of the newer FF games. I liked the rereleased DQ games on the DS more than I liked the new one. Older games in a newer shell (Legend of Grimrock) are fun too. That said, I like newer games too. Skyrim was cool. I love borderlands.

Generally I think the two most important parts of a game: gameplay (what you are doing) and story (why) can make or break anything.


As for eyecandy, it's new toys to play with and everyone is copying everyone else. If one AAA hit cut back on graphics by 25% and put that time and money into gameplay and the story being told, you'll see other game makers doing that.
Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-07-05 00:43:58 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
You should try FFV.

Used to have FF7 and 9, never liked 8. FF9 is my favorite, 7 has the best story.



Respectfully disagree. FFX was the best of the series and my favorite.
pussnheels
Viziam
#18 - 2012-07-05 12:31:04 UTC
I know how you feel OP
I always considered my self a wargammer, but real wargamming hobby, the cardboard counters and dice games like advanced squad leader , gmt s great battles of history series and the even better tabletop wargamming (excludind any of the latest warhammer spawns)
So alot of the games i bought are just the pc versions of that hobby
Games like the battlegroundseries
Campaign series eastern front , western front , rising sun etc
The operatonal art of war
Gary grisby games like war in the pacific and war in the east, other titles like battle of brittain and over the reich
And many more

So almost every game that comes out now for me just looks so dumbyfied what they used to call a arcade game they now market as a truly strategic/tactical wargame or super realistic flightsim mmehhh really kids don t want to any challenge any more only thing they want is instant gratification and a I WIN button

There are still good games out there but they are rare and tend to be more expensive

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Reiisha
#19 - 2012-07-05 14:13:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Reiisha
New games are coming back me thinks...

Endless Space is pretty interesting.
Skyrim can't really be ignored here, i've been playing it for 150+ hours now, that was worth the money i put into it.
Despite ME3's ending, it's still a damn good game that can keep you busy for 25+ hours at least.
BF3's singleplayer aside - It's still the best multiplayer shooter around at the moment. Previous PC BF's didn't even have singleplayer at all.

There are a lot of duds nowadays too, of course, as everything is monetized to hell and back. But still, there's some gems around aswell.

Also, don't forget, in ye olden days there were still tons of ridiculously crappy games. It probably came to the absolute low point with Descent to Undermountain, a game released in 1999 or so that was DOS only and had a maximum (!) resolution of 320x200, but still managed to crash every 20 seconds (not joking).

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#20 - 2012-07-05 14:23:53 UTC
Nachteule Kohen wrote:
they are made easier to make more money, blizzard knows this very well.

I realized just how bad games had gotten when I played Batman: Arkham Asylum. It was almost impossible to lose. It was more about th

How to make a winning game in the 21st century:

1) Checkpoints, checkpoints, checkpoints. Never make them replay more than a few minutes after a failure.
2) Remove lasting consequences by doing things like refilling health bars as a reward for not fighting for a few seconds. I'm looking at you, Halo.
3) Instead of side quests and branching storylines, ncrease playtime by adding arbitrary "achievements" for gamers to collect. After all, I can totally see Batman spending 30 hours trying to find all the hidden riddles before you complete the 4 hours of actual gameplay.
4) Attach content to those achievements rather than game progression. That cool new gun should come for picking up 300 coins, not because it's a critical element to the next level of the game.
4a) Bonus points for applying this to multiplayer, because nothing says "balance" like giving the best tools to the people who spend hundreds of hours making all the achievements.
5) Pay more attention to cinematic "coolness" than game mechanics. So long as the gamer gets eye candy and wins the game, they won't care how absurdly easy the game is.

I weep for modern console gamers. They've had so few games that do it right.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

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