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Guide to Sleeper Runs

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joes Bazooka
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-07-05 05:48:03 UTC
Nissan Truck wrote:
K, last question. Is there any Gallente ships that can colo C1 and C2?


Ohh dear... You really need to read some more before you type.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#22 - 2012-07-05 09:37:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Yes, there are plenty of gallente ships, that can run C1s and the C2 anoms (not the radars, mags though) solo:

Enyo can run C1 anoms

Myrmidon, Brutix can run C1's completely - myrmidon is annoying as hell though, cause sleepers are different. and switch to your precious drones. (Edit: You can avoid that by fitting a web to your myrmidon, somehow sleeper's hate webs and most likely will switch back to you)

Ishtar can run pretty much everything C1/C2 with passive shield fit, does fine with armor, but again, the dronethingy.

If you are real dary, try it in an active tanked talos with ion blasters, should do fine in C1s and C2 anoms, assuming you can solo C2 anoms in a nanocane. If you get ganked in either of those two, you are 100% dead though, cause you are operating on the verge to death anyways.

Edit: Totally forgot - the Proteus is easy mode for soloing C1/C2s.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#23 - 2012-07-05 09:50:44 UTC
Nissan Truck wrote:
K, last question. Is there any Gallente ships that can colo C1 and C2?

Pretty much any omnitanked ship that can survive L4 missions can solo C1 and C2. Race, class and weapons do not really matter at that level.
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#24 - 2012-07-05 10:01:19 UTC
Nissan Truck wrote:
*sigh* I am assuming your all trolls. lol



We aren't all trolls. But your probably the third person to ask the exact same question while the other already answered questions are still on the front page if this forum. Thus people assume you are too lazy to search and we put our troll hats on because we dislike spoon feeding lazy people all day. Hath ruined this one by taking pity on you a bit. Read around and you will likely find the answers to your questions without having to ask them at all.

If you still cant find them then ask away.

You'll notice threads where people say ''hey, I looked and couldn't find it, can you help me" are generally full of helpful non trolls(unless someone has been drinking).


Given where I think you're mind is headed I will say this. Wormholes are not intended to be solo ventures, they can be done to a degree in low class holes but taken as a whole they require groups to do. In the site running, the pvp, and the regular logistics involved in being in this space. If you want solo gameplay stick to the lower class wormholes or to exploration sites in k-space.
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
#25 - 2012-07-05 10:05:54 UTC
chris elliot wrote:
Nissan Truck wrote:
*sigh* I am assuming your all trolls. lol



We aren't all trolls. But your probably the third person to ask the exact same question while the other already answered questions are still on the front page if this forum. Thus people assume you are too lazy to search and we put our troll hats on because we dislike spoon feeding lazy people all day. Hath ruined this one by taking pity on you a bit. Read around and you will likely find the answers to your questions without having to ask them at all.

If you still cant find them then ask away.

You'll notice threads where people say ''hey, I looked and couldn't find it, can you help me" are generally full of helpful non trolls(unless someone has been drinking).


Given where I think you're mind is headed I will say this. Wormholes are not intended to be solo ventures, they can be done to a degree in low class holes but taken as a whole they require groups to do. In the site running, the pvp, and the regular logistics involved in being in this space. If you want solo gameplay stick to the lower class wormholes or to exploration sites in k-space.


This.

and learn to google.
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#26 - 2012-07-05 10:51:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Archdaimon
Just to expand on what is being said above and hopefully to any other new player out there thinking fo asking the same questions.

When you ask a question if you can solo a c5/c6 in a Phoenix, it shows an enormoeus lack of understanding of Eve, and not just those WH's.

a) Little about ships
b) Little about wormholoes
c) Little about logistic efforts
d) Little about PvP and security
e) Little about what little wh politics there are

In other words, try something before you ask. Study a bit. Or find someone who is willing to teach you.

Wormholes have the best accoustics. It's known. - Sing it for me -

Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-05 12:38:23 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Nissan Truck wrote:
What about a Naglfur?

Hathrul wrote:
revs and moros are excellent, nag's are decent, phoenix still sucks

I think calling it decent is giving it too much credit in pve, but I haven't tried it.



itll hit the sleepers, maybe for half the damage a moros or rev does, but it will do.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#28 - 2012-07-05 14:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
Don't try to solo C5/C6. While it can technically be done with certain very expensive fits, I wouldn't risk it.

As for C1-C3 in a tengu or nighthawk, if you have decent skills and know how to read well enough to not pop triggers you'll be fine.

edit: also, read the forum threads here before posting. My wormhole nomad thread has some good info for extended solo work, and there is much better stuff out there as well.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#29 - 2012-07-05 14:08:50 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
I heard Avatars are great for soloing C6s


But by god they're tedious to maintain.

Anyone wanna buy my C6 w/Avatar? I'm tired of dealing with it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#30 - 2012-07-05 15:49:17 UTC
Supers/titans don't spawn the escalation waves and fighter bombers can't hit sleepers any better than a phoenix can :S so even if you managed to get one in (which has at times been possible) its a waste of time for PVE (although you could tracking link a titan if you weren't solo).

If your really commited to soloing C5 sites then it is possible with a rorqual (doesn't spawn escalations) but I don't reccomend it or you _can_ do it with a carrier but you need a fairly hardcore fit and its even slower than the rorqual due to having to deal with the guardian wave. Its also possible with some very pimp faction battleships but its even slower than using a rorqual.

Naglfar lacks both tracking, range and dps compared to decently fit moros and revelations but they aren't too bad if you throw a bit of ISK at them (about 70-80% of the dps of a rev but at higher cost) but no reason to use one if you have a rev or moros option.
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#31 - 2012-07-05 19:22:36 UTC
here's a novel idea: take a ship you consider relatively cheap and effective for missions take it in to a WH and see how it fares. you really need to see first hand what you are up against. i used myrmidons and hurricanes for C1 but i hear drakes and tengu were good so im working on drake training now. my main issue with drone boats - while doable - (was using hammerheads I) i was losing them too quickly and no way to repair them. logistics of bringing in crap loads of hammerheads was a pain. hurricane seems to work a tad better, sleepers like to kite you out of range and you want to make sure you have a means of repairing shields armor and hull.

this is all from C1 solo / 2 accounts perspective.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-07-05 19:59:45 UTC
Read all the non-troll stuff above, its important.

But also in regards to your question about guides to wormholes:

http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=WormholeSpace

This is your WH bible. It has every combat site (Anomaly, Radar, Mag) in Classes 1-6 with waves and triggers. It also has some information about the incoming DPS and its composition depending on the sites.

Capital Ships are not meant to be used solo, as many people have said. If you want to be a bad ass you can try the Jack Miton thing where you run 2 carriers, a dread, and a Loki, but that's more advanced play.

C1 can be run in just about anything with a mediocre omni-tank. C2 takes some additional tank, and decent damage (I suggest the drake; its cheap and effective). C3 Takes a solid tank, decent damage, and is really better with 2 drakes or a decent T3. C4s pretty much require a small fleet (my corp 3 mans them) or 1-2 very well fit Tengus (Loki works as well). C5s are 5-10 players, and a huge jump in difficulty from C4s because everything neuts, webs, and scrams. C6s are C5s on crack, and i'm not actually sure on numbers there, I think 10-15 depending on fleet comp (more capitals, fewer numbers).

If you're unfamiliar with WH space, I strongly suggest reading some of the guides on the forums here, but also that you start out in a C1 or C2 in a ship that you can afford to lose (a drake or other battlecruiser) because chances are you're not skilled enough yet to learn how to stay alive. D-scan is a big part of it, but also knowing the landscape of the wormhole your in is important (are there towers, how many wormholes are intersecting this solar system, etc.).

When you're starting out, scan down your C1 or C2 WH, bookmark everything you want to, and then swap to a combat ship that also has a probe launcher, just in case of an emergency (I usually fit my drake with a probe launcher in the spare high). As you're going along, make sure you bookmark any anomalies you do, so you can salvage them later (the wrecks will stay for up to 2 hours).

Good luck,

Svodola Darkfury.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-07-05 20:35:27 UTC
Nissan Truck wrote:
K, last question. Is there any Gallente ships that can colo C1 and C2?


Use a moros

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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#34 - 2012-07-05 20:43:31 UTC
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
C6s are C5s on crack, and i'm not actually sure on numbers there, I think 10-15 depending on fleet comp (more capitals, fewer numbers).


You can do C6s with same fleet composition as C5s its just a bit more intensive as several normal waves on C6 sites are equivalent to the capital escalation waves in C5s. Infact smaller fleets are probably better as its easier to keep it organised and less of a chance of someone pulling the wrong trigger with the result you have 20+ elite sleeper BS hammering through your capitals.
Svodola Darkfury
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-07-05 23:27:05 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Svodola Darkfury wrote:
C6s are C5s on crack, and i'm not actually sure on numbers there, I think 10-15 depending on fleet comp (more capitals, fewer numbers).


You can do C6s with same fleet composition as C5s its just a bit more intensive as several normal waves on C6 sites are equivalent to the capital escalation waves in C5s. Infact smaller fleets are probably better as its easier to keep it organised and less of a chance of someone pulling the wrong trigger with the result you have 20+ elite sleeper BS hammering through your capitals.



Thanks Rroff, good to know.

Svo.

Director of Frozen Corpse Industries.

Coolsmoke
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-07-06 11:52:17 UTC
Dual MAR Myrmidon can run C1/C2 sites. Watch your drones though, Sleepers love to tear them a new one.

Don't try using Gallente ships in C3's. Their main problem is lack of range (Rails still suck against Sleepers), and since Sleepers web a lot you'll simply never get close enough.

That said, if you can dual-box/have a mate with you, a pair of remote-repping Domis can handle C3 anomalies easily.

Solo faction-fitted Kronos works as well, but nobody uses Marauders in w-space any more. It's become too crowded Blink
Cu3ball
Edge of Darkness
#37 - 2012-07-07 00:43:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cu3ball
Jump on the test server. Run WH's for a week or so and you will be a lot more comfortable. And you will learn a ton also. Ships are free and no players shoot at you.

Armor rep Incursus can run C1's with some practice. Cheap and fun.

Just my 2 isk, hope it helps.
Nissan Truck
Abrasive Industries
Golden Shield
#38 - 2012-07-09 01:45:48 UTC
Well, after you get past all the horrific tongue lashings I just received. I guess I am VERY uneducated in sleepers. and to be honest, I was lazy lol.

But anyways, thank you all for the info. I really appreciate it.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-07-09 03:01:57 UTC
Coolsmoke wrote:
Dual MAR Myrmidon can run C1/C2 sites. Watch your drones though, Sleepers love to tear them a new one.

Don't try using Gallente ships in C3's. Their main problem is lack of range (Rails still suck against Sleepers), and since Sleepers web a lot you'll simply never get close enough.

That said, if you can dual-box/have a mate with you, a pair of remote-repping Domis can handle C3 anomalies easily.

Solo faction-fitted Kronos works as well, but nobody uses Marauders in w-space any more. It's become too crowded Blink

Also, Marauders have a rather large sig radius, which means they get hammered by Sleeper battleship missiles in our (KAIRS'es) experience (might not matter too much if you're using the Marauder tanking bonus to put up a massive local tank, but when spidering C4s, it makes your fleetmates' lives that much harder).

BTW: C4s and up (sans C5/C6 capital escalation waves ofc) can also be run using logis + buffer tanked DPS ships. We've run C4s and even the occasional non-escalated C5 site using Guardians and high-end armor DPS; you'll need 2 properly fit 4/2 PvP Guardians for a C4, and at least 3 for C5s. This is nice if you're out roaming around or deployed into a hole and want to steal/run Sleeper sites with a tanked (bait, basically) salvage BC on cleanup duty.
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