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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#61 - 2012-07-04 20:34:09 UTC
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Higgs Boson Nullification Drive II
80 CPU
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Slot: Mid
Activation cost: 30 capacitor
Cycle time: 10 sec
Effect: Reduces ship mass by 50%
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-07-04 22:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Jita Bloodtear wrote:
When the collective international efforts of mankind came together and advanced our scientific knowledge of the universe. We have discovered the Higgs Boson particle. As members of an awesome science fiction MMO, we must take the time to properly acknowledge the awesomeness of what humanity has acheieved today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2168557/Higgs-boson-Scientists-God-particle-40-year-search-momentous-day-science.html

When your grandchildren ask you where you were when the Higgs Boson discovery was announced, you must tell them, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good". That is all.



Except I don't think that their findings mean what they think that it means. How does their findings convulsively prove the following statement?


"Prof Higgs's groundbreaking proposal was that particles acquire mass by interacting with an all-pervading field spread throughout the universe. The more they interact, the more massive and heavy they become"


It does not prove this... however I do find it very interesting (extremely so) that this article is admitting to the "gaping holes" in the current universal model. Normally if a person suggests such a thing they get burned at the stake. But here, only AFTER the fact they presume to have solved it, is ok to say so? Fellow nerds and forum trolls, guess what... they found a new particle. They did not conclusively prove the existence of the field that Higg's predicted. The article however is admitting to the holes present in the current universal model however.



So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all.

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Linna Excel
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2012-07-04 22:25:23 UTC
The higgs-bosan sounds like a T2 blaster ammo type. It should have a range penalty of -99.9% to make it almost impossible to observe.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#64 - 2012-07-04 22:26:34 UTC
Yay for particle physics, the art of smashing stuff together in a particle accelerator and seeing if the results have civilian applications P

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-07-04 22:26:50 UTC
Cebraio wrote:
price check Higgs-Boson Jita pls

If you have to ask you cannot afford it
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#66 - 2012-07-04 22:28:39 UTC
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Cebraio wrote:
price check Higgs-Boson Jita pls

If you have to ask you cannot afford it


Ebuyer

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Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#67 - 2012-07-04 22:29:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
In addition (because stuff like this really chafes my chops) take a moment to digest this little bit of trivia. We cannot actually see a particle, like we can see a cell. We cannot look at it and see what it is made out of. All we can see is the fingerprint left behind after we blow them up. So we take a beam or protons and we accelerate it to very near to the speed of light, and then we crash them together. Every time we see a signature we assume that we amazing human beings have found a new building block to our universe. But have we really found anything meaningful?





Consider This

What happens when two small meteors collide? well sometimes they explode, sometime the shatter and sometimes they stick together and become one.




Taking that into account, this supposedly "amazing" god particle appears to be a particle that has the mass of 133 protons. It only seems to exist after we crash a whole bunch of protons together at near the speed of light. So... how do we know that the protons are not just sticking together on occasion like the occasional odd meteor collision? How do we know, with any certainty, if we are finding much of anything at all? Maybe we are just crashing particles together and making them stick together like the little globs of energy that they truly are? It could be comparable to blowing bubbles with soap suds and giving each bubble a definitive name based solely upon it's size.

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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#68 - 2012-07-04 23:06:01 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all.


Ah, but that's the beauty of science - its ability to recognize mistakes.

Try that with religion :)
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#69 - 2012-07-04 23:07:19 UTC
Matar, victor!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Sam Ruger
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-07-04 23:10:24 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Wasn´t the LHC supposed to destroy the world?
And still were are here and able to post crap on this forums.... what a fail!


Yeah. Hardcore religious people claimed that when the LHC was switched on, it would create a black hole that would instantly destroy the planet.

Those crazies will come up with any excuse to keep us all in the dark ages.




We were destroyed. But then instantly the universe was brought back in its Clone.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-07-05 01:21:26 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all.


Ah, but that's the beauty of science - its ability to recognize mistakes.

Try that with religion :)



Actually science says "we don't get it now but we assume that we will eventually," where as religion says "it is all part of the divine mystery and it will be revealed to us eventually". The two are remarkably similar to one another because they both came from the same beings, that being, us humans.

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Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#72 - 2012-07-05 01:42:41 UTC
I always thought religion said if its something bad happening to those who don't deserve its because God is simply testing us or that the lord works in mysterious ways, whereas if something good happens its clearly proof that the lord looks after its followers.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Abon
Pandorum Research Incorporated
#73 - 2012-07-05 01:43:46 UTC
Anti Gravity here i come! Lol
Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#74 - 2012-07-05 02:53:15 UTC
The Higgs boson is like the bumpy bits on LEGO, without them nothing sticks together.

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Oxford Longman
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2012-07-05 12:14:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxford Longman
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Jita Bloodtear wrote:
When the collective international efforts of mankind came together and advanced our scientific knowledge of the universe. We have discovered the Higgs Boson particle. As members of an awesome science fiction MMO, we must take the time to properly acknowledge the awesomeness of what humanity has acheieved today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2168557/Higgs-boson-Scientists-God-particle-40-year-search-momentous-day-science.html

When your grandchildren ask you where you were when the Higgs Boson discovery was announced, you must tell them, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good". That is all.



It happens just 100m under my feet, and yes this incredible moment is another big step to our comprehension of the Universe and our place, another step to make of ignorance a myth along with the mighty economical primordial model of ours. It's a matter of time, but it will die because there's no other way for our civilisation to survive and accomplish the greatest saga of humanity, space colonisation.

We had about 1000 years science stagnation because of ignorance and wars, 800 years of stagnation because of obscurantism and religion, we're making so much scientific progress since 200 years I can not believe we will not be colonising space in about 300 years.

I'll be saying to y grand children, if my bones ever get there "you're living my dream, let me talk to you about internet and serious spaceships business"

Lol



What always blows my mind is how quick things have developed in 'recent' times. consider this time frame


1881 ..... Gun fight at the ok corral

1969 ...... Man walks on the moon.

88 years difference from 'cowboys' to 'space cowboys'

So some kid alive at the same time as the gun fight took place could have been alive to witness the moon landings!
SetrakDark
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-07-05 12:31:36 UTC
Oxford Longman wrote:
What always blows my mind is how quick things have developed in 'recent' times. consider this time frame


1881 ..... Gun fight at the ok corral

1969 ...... Man walks on the moon.

88 years difference from 'cowboys' to 'space cowboys'

So some kid alive at the same time as the gun fight took place could have been alive to witness the moon landings!


It really is incredible, especially when contrasted to massive and stable empires of the past who were still almost completely technologically stagnant, some for a millennium.
Dave stark
#77 - 2012-07-05 12:35:24 UTC
A god particle walks in to a church and the priest says "i'm glad you're here, without you we couldn't have mass."
Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#78 - 2012-07-05 12:54:21 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
In addition (because stuff like this really chafes my chops) take a moment to digest this little bit of trivia. We cannot actually see a particle, like we can see a cell. We cannot look at it and see what it is made out of. All we can see is the fingerprint left behind after we blow them up. So we take a beam or protons and we accelerate it to very near to the speed of light, and then we crash them together. Every time we see a signature we assume that we amazing human beings have found a new building block to our universe. But have we really found anything meaningful?





Consider This

What happens when two small meteors collide? well sometimes they explode, sometime the shatter and sometimes they stick together and become one.




Taking that into account, this supposedly "amazing" god particle appears to be a particle that has the mass of 133 protons. It only seems to exist after we crash a whole bunch of protons together at near the speed of light. So... how do we know that the protons are not just sticking together on occasion like the occasional odd meteor collision? How do we know, with any certainty, if we are finding much of anything at all? Maybe we are just crashing particles together and making them stick together like the little globs of energy that they truly are? It could be comparable to blowing bubbles with soap suds and giving each bubble a definitive name based solely upon it's size.


The quick answer is that a collection of protons would require neutrons, in proportion, to form a stable particle collection (remember that protons are positively charged and thus tend to repel each other). You have now produced an atomic nucleus, most likely Caesium, congrats! That leads to the stumbling block in your proposal - at the collisional energies involved, the nucleus would quickly disintergrate, leaving an obvious tell tale mess of protons, neutrons, gluons and other associated particle detritus in much the same way a criminal will leave fingerprint evidence at a crime scene.

Now, one of the greatest events in the cultural evolution of mankind was the adoption of the scientific method. A scientific hypothesis leads to testable claims. Experiments can be designed and constructed to test such claims. Observation and experimental results will either discount or strengthen a particular hypothesis. This is how our knowledge of the Universe accumilates. In the case of the Higgs particle, it just took 4 decades to test Higgs' original prediction.
Imechal Ravpeim
4d Enterprise
#79 - 2012-07-05 18:55:14 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
So you can ask yourself this question as well; "where where you when science admitted that they still had gaping holes present in their "idea of everything?" well, I guess you will have to say, "I was out destroying internet spaceships, and it was good" That is all.


Ah, but that's the beauty of science - its ability to recognize mistakes.

Try that with religion :)



Actually science says "we don't get it now but we assume that we will eventually," where as religion says "it is all part of the divine mystery and it will be revealed to us eventually". The two are remarkably similar to one another because they both came from the same beings, that being, us humans.



The difference is that religion tends to think itself finished; science(probably) never will. We always work and strive to further our understanding. We never assume it will be revealed before us.

If that's your stance on science, then I suggest you reeducate yourself. Facts do not mean understanding.
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#80 - 2012-07-05 18:58:03 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Wasn´t the LHC supposed to destroy the world?
And still were are here and able to post crap on this forums.... what a fail!


Yeah. Hardcore religious people claimed that when the LHC was switched on, it would create a black hole that would instantly destroy the planet.

Those crazies will come up with any excuse to keep us all in the dark ages.


You are wrong here meny pesudo scientist even real scientist who think is possible only in theory to create mini black hole but even if this happens it dissapere faster than microsecond or somthing like this. Im christian, but im not against science and people who explain us how physics works. Whole idea about black hole generated form LHC become form people who are obesesed about doomsday etc not by religious poeple.

Somthing about lhc and black hole
Btw very good chanel on youtube about physics with a lot interviews with physics Profesors, subscibe if you love physics.