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Caldari or Minmatar FW???

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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#21 - 2012-07-03 23:54:35 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Nave Drallig wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Once an imbalance is reached it will only grow due to lemmings like yourself, unless you find crazy dudes like test who want to whip their slave back and forth.


If you check map you'll see FW is perfectly balanced now after its artificial rigging stopped: all 4 nations' LP shops ratios suck equally at the moment (t1/t2).


Except one faction regularly pushes to t4 every weekend. And the other one has done so recently and looks to be able to continue doing so.



says the person from a corp who droped gal to go minni.... MOOOOOOOO and before you attempt to flame me. i joined caldari when inferno came out and they were pushed back practically to high sec.


I don't see how what you stated has anything to do with what I stated?

Also, on the release of Inferno I was ready to move to a non-fw lowsec system but decided to wait and see at least about Nenna. I wasn't one of the guys saying "lolol caldari will be pushed to highsec". Caldari had more numbers, easier rats and more farmers, and still do.
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-07-04 00:19:28 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Nave Drallig wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Once an imbalance is reached it will only grow due to lemmings like yourself, unless you find crazy dudes like test who want to whip their slave back and forth.


If you check map you'll see FW is perfectly balanced now after its artificial rigging stopped: all 4 nations' LP shops ratios suck equally at the moment (t1/t2).


Except one faction regularly pushes to t4 every weekend. And the other one has done so recently and looks to be able to continue doing so.



says the person from a corp who droped gal to go minni.... MOOOOOOOO and before you attempt to flame me. i joined caldari when inferno came out and they were pushed back practically to high sec.


I don't see how what you stated has anything to do with what I stated?

Also, on the release of Inferno I was ready to move to a non-fw lowsec system but decided to wait and see at least about Nenna. I wasn't one of the guys saying "lolol caldari will be pushed to highsec". Caldari had more numbers, easier rats and more farmers, and still do.



I am pointing out how instead of attempting to hold up the Gal side of the conflict you switched to Minnie, and yes i know you are still in region but you cant use any LP to boost systems now and are just as much a farmer as the Cal/Min are.
Suqq Madiq
#23 - 2012-07-04 04:12:31 UTC
Rabuf Etarip wrote:
Im looking to get into fw but i have a few questions.
1.Which faction can i currently make the most isk per lp from or isk per hour for that matter?
2.Which faction is easier to do missions with? (i would prefer to speed tank over using a SB)
3.Which corps would be good to apply to?
4. Which lp items have the best lp to isk ratio?


Only the ones that haven't seen this thread. Ugh
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#24 - 2012-07-04 04:29:07 UTC
... and this is what's wrong with faction war.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#25 - 2012-07-04 08:21:34 UTC
Abannan wrote:
I hope to God that this is a troll, but if I was you I'd join Angel Cartel faction war, their LP store is great


Hopefully we can at some stage get Angel vs. Sansha FW to south Derelik low-sec:)

Though admittedly 39 systems with massive chokepoints might turn whole thing to such that Sansha base in Asabona, Angels in Sendaya and all the fights happen in Onsooh. Perhaps someone is enterprising enough and makes RvB version of the same thing Lol
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#26 - 2012-07-04 10:02:48 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Abannan wrote:
I hope to God that this is a troll, but if I was you I'd join Angel Cartel faction war, their LP store is great


Hopefully we can at some stage get Angel vs. Sansha FW to south Derelik low-sec:)

Though admittedly 39 systems with massive chokepoints might turn whole thing to such that Sansha base in Asabona, Angels in Sendaya and all the fights happen in Onsooh. Perhaps someone is enterprising enough and makes RvB version of the same thing Lol


Perhaps not like that but i would love the opportunity to do meaningful stuff for the pirate factions, the extra fights would just be a bonus.

Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin

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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#27 - 2012-07-04 13:57:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
I am toying with the idea of joining the Gallente side of FW.
From the posts so far, I deduce they are somewhat in need of fresh meat, is that correct?

Generally, are the factions currently unbalanced or not?

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Lili Lu
#28 - 2012-07-04 14:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am toying with the idea of joining the Gallente side of FW.
From the posts so far, I deduce they are somewhat in need of fresh meat, is that correct?

Generally, are the factions currently unbalanced or not?

I'll give you the same answer as I gave the OP, but with less snark.P Read the threads in this subforum. Look at Dotlan. You'll figure it out. Smile Yes, fighting for an underdog can be fun, look at the test folks (a change from having the uperhand with the CFC in 0.0)Lol You can still make money from the pve to fund the pvp whichever faction.

But really whichever way you go the pvp is more fun than 0.0. Gang sizes rarely exceeding 50, unless someone has capitals tackled, and much more often below 40. A true range of character sp and wealth so fleets will have poorer and less skilled folks flying what they can and doing what they can with them like cruisers (can't wait for the cruiser buff). No bubbles, so tackling is a needed role, and you are less likely to lose a pod. And very few caps/supers ruining an even number gf. Also, minor plexes limit you to tech I frigs and destroyers so pvp-ing in them means you have to fly one. All-in-all better more fun imo than 0.0

edit- unfortunately if it becomes too popular, like incursions were, it will attract fun-killing farmers and bandwagonners like the OP. Straight

edit2- while it would be interesting to have pirate FW as well, there would be a few big problems. It would not be the same combat mechanics, being 0.0. Also the lp would be worth so much more since the pirate ships are so much better. I think the current pirate NPC 0.0 space is doing fine. Of course there could be more of it.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#29 - 2012-07-04 17:00:12 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am toying with the idea of joining the Gallente side of FW.
From the posts so far, I deduce they are somewhat in need of fresh meat, is that correct?

Generally, are the factions currently unbalanced or not?

I'll give you the same answer as I gave the OP, but with less snark.P Read the threads in this subforum. Look at Dotlan. You'll figure it out. Smile Yes, fighting for an underdog can be fun,....


Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool

And unlike the OP, I am not seeing FW as a personal ISK generator, I get my cash elsewhere, thank you very much. Besides, I realize that ISK is only a means, after all....

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Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-07-04 17:44:40 UTC
Be sure to join the Amarr! I'm sure they could use more brave and self sacrificing men like yourself...

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#31 - 2012-07-04 18:03:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Nerath Naaris wrote:
I am toying with the idea of joining the Gallente side of FW.
From the posts so far, I deduce they are somewhat in need of fresh meat, is that correct?

Generally, are the factions currently unbalanced or not?


Gals are not as outnumbered as you might think despite what Militia numbers might show. Caldari has always had a large inflated number base that has loads of guys that never do anything related to the PVP side of FW.

You might look at fights like the battle report of the recent fight in Enaluri and think Caldari have overwhelming numbers advantage. What that battle report didn't show, was the fact there were easily another 40+/- Gals with-in 1 to 2 jumps of that fight that didn't get invited by the cool kids til they knew they were losing.

There also seems to be a lot of little clicks in Gal Militia where various groups don't really work so well with one another. With Caldari for the most part we have done a lot of work to get everyone supporting one another and at least somewhat on the same page with one another.

2nd thing is a lot of the Gal corps have swapped to Minmatar Militia to leech their cheap LP store so they don't have to put in any effort defending space, but they still stay up in Gal space with the Gal militia supporting them with numbers.
Lili Lu
#32 - 2012-07-04 18:56:35 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Gals are not as outnumbered as you might think despite what Militia numbers might show. Caldari has always had a large inflated number base that has loads of guys that never do anything related to the PVP side of FW.

You might look at fights like the battle report of the recent fight in Enaluri and think Caldari have overwhelming numbers advantage. What that battle report didn't show, was the fact there were easily another 40+/- Gals with-in 1 to 2 jumps of that fight that didn't get invited by the cool kids til they knew they were losing.


No, it is and was still a situation where squids outnumbered frogs. I was watching in a cloaky.Smile Really don't know how frogs got the upperhand just before the changes. But then go back farther and the caldari advantages led them to a period of "winning" the theatre.

Mutnin wrote:
There also seems to be a lot of little clicks in Gal Militia where various groups don't really work so well with one another. With Caldari for the most part we have done a lot of work to get everyone supporting one another and at least somewhat on the same page with one another.

That may be. If so sad for the frogs that care about the role play. But then they seem to be sorta resigned to losing space due to the easier npc mechanics for the squids. And it they have an "elite" old guard that wants to keep getting blobbed by squids and losing expensive ships because they can't be bothered gathering their noobie scrubs together to help, well ok for them I suppose.

Mutnin wrote:
2nd thing is a lot of the Gal corps have swapped to Minmatar Militia to leech their cheap LP store so they don't have to put in any effort defending space, but they still stay up in Gal space with the Gal militia supporting them with numbers.

Yeah, that is sad. But the tide is turning in the south and they might reevaluate.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#33 - 2012-07-04 19:22:09 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool


Then join Amarr or Caldari. Gallente seem to be vocal about "being blobbed" now when Caldari can sometimes match their numbers and in general dont behave entirely in scrubby fashion but in reality Caldari are still outnumbered and outgunned most of the time.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#34 - 2012-07-04 19:54:46 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool


Caldari are still outnumbered

Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters.
(Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.)

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Lili Lu
#35 - 2012-07-04 20:15:10 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool


Then join Amarr or Caldari. Gallente seem to be vocal about "being blobbed" now when Caldari can sometimes match their numbers and in general dont behave entirely in scrubby fashion but in reality Caldari are still outnumbered and outgunned most of the time.

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Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#36 - 2012-07-04 20:16:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Mutnin
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool


Caldari are still outnumbered

Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters.
(Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.)


Confirming, that Gals are being beaten by high sec mission runners.. Lol


Anyway to the OP.. it's really what you are looking for that matters as to which side you fight for. If you want a lot of small gangs with option of big blobs and also want to be able to join large gang and also make ISK, then join Caldari..

If you want to camp gates with 50 Thrashers in a war zone the size of a postage stamp and still make ISK, join Minmatar.

If you want to claim you are out numbered while having 40 guys docked in station AFK and have no way to make ISK.. join Gallente.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#37 - 2012-07-04 20:22:58 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool


Caldari are still outnumbered

Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters.
(Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.)


Confirming, that Gals are being beaten by high sec mission runners.. Lol

Haha.
That's a negative, Ghost Rider.
Open your eyes and read along.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-07-04 23:51:22 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Mutnin wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
Hey, I like fighting for the underdog, more opportunity for glory! Cool


Caldari are still outnumbered

Blatant lie. Never have been, honestly. Just had more mission runners than fighters.
(Check my killboard when I first started Faction War for proof. Majority of the kills in Orvolle, Osmeden, Mesybier, Pemene, Villore, and Caslemon... mission runners. And that's just the ones I caught in that part of space.)


Confirming, that Gals are being beaten by high sec mission runners.. Lol

Haha.
That's a negative, Ghost Rider.
Open your eyes and read along.


(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#39 - 2012-07-05 05:50:23 UTC
Nave Drallig wrote:


(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"

Oh?
You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^

I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#40 - 2012-07-05 06:33:41 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Nave Drallig wrote:


(looks at dotlan and previous posts by other members of Galmil yourself included) yup your getting beaten by high sec missioners and a group of pvpers with less SP and less Isk..... as Marshall Zhukov once said "Quanity has a quality of its own"

Oh?
You must've missed the part where I pointed to the influx of new corps along with the missioners swapping to plexers due to the ease of plexing, then. ^_^

I don't know about less SP or isk (as far as my in-game player is concerned). I'm not even a year old yet. :P


Not really wanting to repeat what's been pointed out in other parts of forums, but in their smugness squids might at least have the decency to admit the fact that two day old chars being able to capture basically any size of gal plexes vs caldari plexes requireing decently skilled chars did add to squid sucess just a tiny little bit.
Oh, and don't get me wrong, kudos to you guys for getting coordinated like you did.
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