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Amarr vs gallente BS
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drdxie
#21 - 2012-07-03 03:11:44 UTC
Amarr + Caldari = Nightmare.. great ship. But from my experience of delving into many areas of eve, minmatar should be your race to cross train for. You get selectable damage. Amarr and Gallente, excluding drones, are pretty static as far a damage selection.

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#22 - 2012-07-03 14:44:30 UTC
from what i can tell, megathrons are definitely sub-par for lvl 4's.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-07-03 15:02:24 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
For pvp, forget Amarr ships. Just not worth it.



Zealots, Abbadons, Punishers and I'm forgetting ship names because there are so many in Amarr ship line good in pvp.
Almost one if not the best on each ship type of combat, it's not really bad is it?

It's not the case for Gallente actually doing pretty well in high sec pvp, small gang low/null but absolutely horrible in fleet except reccons, interceptors, T3 as heavy tackle ho, and Viator is nice too as cloacky hauler to bring bombs supply Lol

brb
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#24 - 2012-07-03 15:18:17 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
For pvp, forget Amarr ships. Just not worth it.



Zealots, Abbadons, Punishers and I'm forgetting ship names because there are so many in Amarr ship line good in pvp.
Almost one if not the best on each ship type of combat, it's not really bad is it?

It's not the case for Gallente actually doing pretty well in high sec pvp, small gang low/null but absolutely horrible in fleet except reccons, interceptors, T3 as heavy tackle ho, and Viator is nice too as cloacky hauler to bring bombs supply Lol




I still cringe when I see a Curse or Pilgrim on the field.

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Another Forum Alt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-07-03 15:26:58 UTC
The Zealot is decent. The Abaddon needs a cap booster just to run the guns (which have horrendous tracking) and it still can't compete with the dizzying damage output of a Neutron Mega. And the Punisher is/always has been a comical ship when compared to the other frigates.

I don't know if you noticed, but the majority of this game doesn't revolve around cheesy null battles.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-07-03 16:33:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Zealots, Abbadons, Punishers and I'm forgetting ship names because there are so many in Amarr ship line good in pvp.
Almost one if not the best on each ship type of combat, it's not really bad is it?


Why Geddon loses to Drake then? I don't really see what's good about it if it loses to low dps BC easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wWT52Kxzok
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#27 - 2012-07-03 16:53:07 UTC
Batelle wrote:
from what i can tell, megathrons are definitely sub-par for lvl 4's.


If your comparing it to mach/NM than yes, it will be.

However, it gets a damage and tracking bonus and with meta 4 rails and 4 sentries(not 5 because you need light drones) it gets something like 800 dps out to 50km, with maybe 500 at 80.

Also it looks badass.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-07-03 20:44:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Why Geddon loses to Drake then? I don't really see what's good about it if it loses to low dps BC easily.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wWT52Kxzok


So the guy looted meta guns, didn't had multi loaded etc?
-That drake wasn't over powered, was just receiving reps from neutral shield drones and as far as I'm concerned, that Arma pilot committed huge mistakes.
Has for mega/sleipnir, it's an oriented match, I don't know all the fight conditions but the video starting when it has 0 shield armor, the pilot not having a single point/web on you and not even loaded Faction AM, ECM drones blahblahblah.

I just saw a video of ships being killed because their pilot was lazy and you probably had more than little help (like those shield rep drones reping you from that neut alt) and maybe off grid booster?

But it's just me, heh, not impressed by that.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-07-03 20:48:18 UTC
Another Forum Alt wrote:
The Zealot is decent. The Abaddon needs a cap booster just to run the guns (which have horrendous tracking) and it still can't compete with the dizzying damage output of a Neutron Mega. And the Punisher is/always has been a comical ship when compared to the other frigates.

I don't know if you noticed, but the majority of this game doesn't revolve around cheesy null battles.



Mega pvp buffer fit also deplets just by moving and shooting ammo, not much of a diffence but the fact mega tracks well but shoots only at around 40km with T2 ammo and blasters, Abaddon around 90 with pulse and scorch with double buffer tank.

Fit less plates and more nanos/TE on Abby to bring to at 100K EHP like mega and you'll track better (joke of course)

brb
Songbird
#30 - 2012-07-03 21:20:11 UTC
I really dont think an abaddon can hit 90, more like 50, however it will be 50 optimal while the 40 of the mega will be the end of the fall off.
The gallente ships are close range, or in other words knives in gun fights. When the fleets are small enough a close range ship might work but as the fleet size increases the effectiveness decreases.
In my opinion lazors are some of the finest guns with high damage, excellent tracking, long optimal and insta change ammo, cant go wrong with amarr :-)
Another Forum Alt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-07-04 03:28:01 UTC
It's well known lasers do not have good tracking. With max skills plus an Ogdin's implant (+6 tracking) I've watched my heavy and mega pulses miss class specific hulls more times than I can count (pvp.) It should be noted I usually brawl at 5-20km.

I actually like Amarr junk. But if you are in a small gang and you run into a blaster mob, you're going to melt quicker than Chernobyl.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-04 03:45:14 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
So the guy looted meta guns, didn't had multi loaded etc?
-That drake wasn't over powered, was just receiving reps from neutral shield drones and as far as I'm concerned, that Arma pilot committed huge mistakes.


That video shows how bad Amarr ships are and how good Drake is.

Did you even notice how Drake pilot didn't even active hardeners before shields dropped to 5% or something?
Songbird
#33 - 2012-07-04 09:01:31 UTC
Not sure what do you mean by "class specific hulls" but if you mean that you cant hit bs with mega pulse and cruiser with heavy maybe you arent fitting tracking or webbing. If you like to fight at 5km one would think that web is as important as point. Btw if you have problems killing blaster gangs just stay out of their range and burn them with scorch, i can assure you blasters track better but it won't matter if they can't range you. And yeah short range small gang is the blasters main playing field but if they don't tackle fast enough and let the other gang get range they are screwed. And we all know small gangs will make speed a priority
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-07-04 21:20:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
So the guy looted meta guns, didn't had multi loaded etc?
-That drake wasn't over powered, was just receiving reps from neutral shield drones and as far as I'm concerned, that Arma pilot committed huge mistakes.


That video shows how bad Amarr ships are and how good Drake is.

Did you even notice how Drake pilot didn't even active hardeners before shields dropped to 5% or something?


No Amarr ships are not bad but they're not all awesome, OP, or good for all situations. Again, you turned your 1st invuln on with shield drones repping you increasing rep effectiveness, nothing to believe is something OP on drake at this point.

C'mon the guy is about 12km from you, can't web you, load multi and burn the hell out of your drake? (Drakes don't like that much thermal dmg), can't use ECM drones with a ship having a large drone bay?

Again, this video proves absolutely nothing, it's just some pilot fighting bad pilots., If even a bad pilot like me can figure it out I'm sure good ones are laughing watching that stuff.

brb
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-07-04 22:24:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
No Amarr ships are not bad but they're not all awesome, OP, or good for all situations. Again, you turned your 1st invuln on with shield drones repping you increasing rep effectiveness, nothing to believe is something OP on drake at this point.


Yes, they are bad. And no, I don't fly any of those ship on that video. I started playing EVE few months after that video was uploaded.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#36 - 2012-07-04 22:27:58 UTC
Just don't expect to finish Angel missions quickly with Amarr ships...
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-07-04 22:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
No Amarr ships are not bad but they're not all awesome, OP, or good for all situations. Again, you turned your 1st invuln on with shield drones repping you increasing rep effectiveness, nothing to believe is something OP on drake at this point.


Yes, they are bad. And no, I don't fly any of those ship on that video. I started playing EVE few months after that video was uploaded.


Take a look around here, you'll see those Amarr ships are not that bad. You've clearly never faced Pilgrims, Zealots, sniper Apocs/Oracle or unbreakable gank brick Legion, really, if something Amarr are the most balanced ships in the game and have at least one ship type succeeding in every form of pvp/pve in this game.


Some stuff , doesn't prove anything about Amarr being good but at least proves you definitively they're not as bad as you can think.

indeed, Drakes are OP and Armageddons really bad

brb
Ron Maudieu
#38 - 2012-07-05 04:54:27 UTC
Guardians are most certainly terrible ships, I can never manage to kill anything with them. Lol
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