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The future of Community and CCL

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#361 - 2012-07-03 17:35:55 UTC
Did your browser just eat your post?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#362 - 2012-07-03 17:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Did your browser just eat your post?



It does often grrrrr

Tal

p.s its bottom of previous page.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#363 - 2012-07-03 17:42:50 UTC
Rats wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Did your browser just eat your post?



It does often grrrrr

Tal




Google Chrome by any chance?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2012-07-03 17:43:47 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Rats wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Did your browser just eat your post?



It does often grrrrr

Tal




Google Chrome by any chance?


Yep

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#365 - 2012-07-03 17:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cutter Isaacson
Rats wrote:


As I mentioned they have already changed there habits (in my opinion)

I don't believe they need a long list from the player base, 3 words "common sense" and "communication" that's it, that's all they need.

It looks like common sense is already being applied and communication has been addressed with this thread.

Tal


P.S You can complain about an issue without supplying a fix, that's their job. Doesn't mean the complaint isn't valid.



Ah I see you retrieved it, good.

Yes, you may be right, maybe the staff have changed their habits, or maybe its just that less people are trashing the forums left right and centre and are now posting in just a few places, meaning less obvious instances of moderation? Though I do agree, things on both sides appear to be changing.

As for the list, if a customer has a complaint and wishes it solved, they must first be prepared to list those complaints in a well organised fashion, and as for adding suggestions for fixes well, that seems to be the attitude amongst most people who invest time and money in to something. They like to feel a part of things, and suggesting possible fixes is a part of that. Wouldn't you agree?

After all, we are supposed to be a community, that's what everyone keeps repeating in their complaints right? We are a community, respect the community, listen to the community? What sort of a community doesn't try to help fix itself if they think something is broken?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#366 - 2012-07-04 00:30:36 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
A fair bit off topic, but since Navigator is already responding to this thread, can you please resume using the RSS feed for patch notes (found here - http://community.eveonline.com/feed/rdfpatchnotes.asp)?


Hmmm, I will pass this on to the right people first thing in the morning.


Apologies for this, but do you have any news relating to this?
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#367 - 2012-07-04 11:46:36 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
in da dmc zone, spam report button enough and a few will hit.

Don't know what your problem is but you've been stalking me in quite a few different threads. Seems you're bound and determined to dance the tango with me.


You realize you broke forums rule here, right?

There is no worse self-righteousness than that of moral hypocrite who exclaims and calls for the rules, and is unable to follow them himself.
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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#368 - 2012-07-04 14:49:01 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
in da dmc zone, spam report button enough and a few will hit.

Don't know what your problem is but you've been stalking me in quite a few different threads. Seems you're bound and determined to dance the tango with me.


You realize you broke forums rule here, right?


I really wouldn't bother trying to mention it to him. We've already discovered that he suffers from a very extreme case of the Backfire Effect.

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Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#369 - 2012-07-04 20:45:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
in da dmc zone, spam report button enough and a few will hit.

Don't know what your problem is but you've been stalking me in quite a few different threads. Seems you're bound and determined to dance the tango with me.


You realize you broke forums rule here, right?


I really wouldn't bother trying to mention it to him. We've already discovered that he suffers from a very extreme case of the Backfire Effect.


What worries me is that his continued and repeated violations of the rules are:

1) Always accompanied with a clamor for the enforcement of rules.

2) Supported by CCP employees.

In effect, his continued presence without the enforcement of the rules essentially means that CCP's position is that people can violate forum rules repeatedly as long as they do so in expressing positions sympathetic to CCP employees. Someone needs to officially tell him I have raised him and his behavior twice in petitions with no apparent action or even acknowledgement from CCP.

It is a case in point of the "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue.

On another note, I actually have seen an improvement on the moderation decisions and style of even the worse offenders. This is a good thing.

So one good and one bad. C'est la vie.
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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#370 - 2012-07-04 22:13:15 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
...

It is a case in point of the "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue.
...
C'est la vie.

Only English on these forums.P


I too have noticed an improvement, especially with the more descriptive statements when a post is edited.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#371 - 2012-07-04 23:43:15 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
...

It is a case in point of the "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" issue.
...
C'est la vie.

Only English on these forums.P


I too have noticed an improvement, especially with the more descriptive statements when a post is edited.



Indeed. I even gave a like to the ISD I was hating on before, because, well, he did it right.
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ShipToaster
#372 - 2012-07-05 01:46:09 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1580771#post1580771

Time for ISD to gtf and this sums it up for me.

.

Pipa Porto
#373 - 2012-07-05 02:07:07 UTC
ShipToaster wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1580771#post1580771

Time for ISD to gtf and this sums it up for me.


They shot Grandpa Bill!

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#374 - 2012-07-05 02:12:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
To be fair, the post was off topic.

In character, but still off topic. Next time, he should try to include an on topic message in his awesome character posting.

EDIT: I was wrong, a little slow on the uptake. And it is hilarious.
Pipa Porto
#375 - 2012-07-05 02:15:22 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
To be fair, the post was off topic.

In character, but still off topic. Next time, he should try to include an on topic message in his awesome character posting.


Isn't crossposting against the rules too? Pirate

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-RubyPorto

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#376 - 2012-07-05 02:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Pipa Porto wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
To be fair, the post was off topic.

In character, but still off topic. Next time, he should try to include an on topic message in his awesome character posting.


Isn't crossposting against the rules too? Pirate

P

I'm not perfect.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#377 - 2012-07-05 02:55:01 UTC
Every post Granpa Bill has ever posted is off topic. I guess that's my biggest issue with this cowboy diplomacy. If the rules are indeterminant, then there will always inconsistent enforcement and the potential for bias. If you're unlucky enough to walk into the CCL line of fire, too bad. Sorry Bill.

There are so many negative influences in these forums and what are the CCLs worried about? A harmless troll who entertains consistently.

But who needs player-generated content on the forums? We've got rules. So I'd suggest you guys delete every post Grandpa Bill posts from now on. They'll all be off topic.

Yee-haw! You got a nudder un Tyrozan!

Mount it on da hood!

YK
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#378 - 2012-07-05 21:57:13 UTC
Yonis Kador wrote:
Every post Granpa Bill has ever posted is off topic. I guess that's my biggest issue with this cowboy diplomacy. If the rules are indeterminant, then there will always inconsistent enforcement and the potential for bias. If you're unlucky enough to walk into the CCL line of fire, too bad. Sorry Bill.

There are so many negative influences in these forums and what are the CCLs worried about? A harmless troll who entertains consistently.

But who needs player-generated content on the forums? We've got rules. So I'd suggest you guys delete every post Grandpa Bill posts from now on. They'll all be off topic.

Yee-haw! You got a nudder un Tyrozan!

Mount it on da hood!

YK



Yeah, this is what CCP doesn't seem to get when it got defensive with "we cannot enforce everything" - ok, fair enough, but when you enforce, don't mess with Gramps.

Also, going off topic in an unofficial GD thread should be less harmful (therefore, less enforced) than in other topic areas. I can understand strict enforcement in Features and Ideas, but in GD?

Its all about nuance and not being bulls in china shops. Even the most hardnosed cop will let you off the hook if you are funny enough.
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Anhenka
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#379 - 2012-07-06 02:48:40 UTC
Are ISD members able to delete posts as well as simply lock threads?


Saw one thread locked for "Excessive bumping" where the guy had bumped like clockwork, once every 24 hours, never on the same eve day.

The OP was the only person posting for the entire page, but that's just cause he sucked at selling and nobody posted on his thread.


Not the only one like this locked I have seen recently either.


would be explainable if the ISD member deleted all the posts besides the one per day, but I never knew they could selectively cherry pick out posts and delete them. Can they?
None ofthe Above
#380 - 2012-07-06 03:02:05 UTC
Anhenka wrote:
Are ISD members able to delete posts as well as simply lock threads?


Saw one thread locked for "Excessive bumping" where the guy had bumped like clockwork, once every 24 hours, never on the same eve day.

The OP was the only person posting for the entire page, but that's just cause he sucked at selling and nobody posted on his thread.


Not the only one like this locked I have seen recently either.


would be explainable if the ISD member deleted all the posts besides the one per day, but I never knew they could selectively cherry pick out posts and delete them. Can they?


Yes, they very definitely can.

You can use http://eve-search.com/ if you like to compare. Eve-search runs a mirror on the forums. It is not perfect but usually captures things before they get moderated.

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