EVE General Discussion

EIther way its their game, let them play it they way they want to. i would like a game that is truely diverse and doesn't depend on how long you have been playing the game and how many are in your fleet. its the "kicking your sand castle down" that is sorely missing.

You forgot to include anyone who has at least one character outside of highsec and CCP. I say that is a significant bunch.

Nobody "decided" it either. I used my cognitive skills to deduce how CCP brilliantly made even PVE stuff become PVP (competition) down the road.

…except that in most MMOs, not everything is PvP because they offer content that isn't subject to competition, whereas EVE doesn't offer any such escape from the PvP.

Actually, it's CCP's game, and they've been quite clear about how you shouldn't expect to be able to “just do your thing” without interference from other players. They rather designed the game to always enable that kind of interference.

Only instance where the other MMOs have content not subject to competition, is when you get an instance and exclusively pick up stuff that is player bound on pick up, which is an extremely rare occurrance.

All the other times you get out with something tradable and thus you are subject to competition.


On the other side, in EvE you can achieve something quite close to "such escape" you describe.
Mine and make your ships and ammo without selling anything, then do L4 missions for the bounties. It's as close to playing a PvE game as it gets, plenty possible and also often done. Many (their bad of course) don't even bother converting the LPs and only recently looting became sort of worthwhile again (if you fly a marauder with tractor beam).

Well, you always make it look nice on paper, & I don't know how you do it in game. In game it only takes 4 toons for me, a neutral alt and 3 dessies. Never fails w/o human error on my part.

You having something to use / sell once outside of the instance automatically puts you in competition with the others. They can do "farm" their own stuff but at this point the market has already been diluted by who got it first. This is expecially true for recipes, the first who gets them becomes "the server crafter" for that thing, who comes after only finds a saturated market.

They indeed compete outside of the instance but the stuff was gotten inside.

Also, depending on game, instances can be invaded by opponents and then the competition is directly inside it.




Competition and PvP have to be meaningful else they are but a catch-word.
While in other games you WILL always get competition at harvesting outworld resources because they are usually tiered in a small region, in EvE as long as you don't live within 5 jumps off Jita, you will find tons of roids, tons of production slots, and ninja looters etc. won't show up.

I specifically mined many ships including my Orca inside L4 missions (so the roids were spawned instance-alike) and the last time I got a visit in a mission was in 2010. About 5 jumps off a quite major trade hub none the less.

But you are indeed describing EvE: on paper lots of stuff, lots of competition, lots of epic battles... then in reality as long as you really don't go find them with the magnifier glass all you get is a quite dull and riskless farmland.

Glad to see how you had to cut my statement in half and selectively quote it to make your argument hold.



... that is a fat nothing. Got to go to Delve to see something moving.




... like in other games.




No, EvE has this but it's not unique and far from being "apart".
Entropia and DFO come to mind but there are more, even some text MUD games implement both scarcity, exclusion competition.

No. I cut it in half to make the distinction between how you get the item and how you use it. Just because you use the item for PvP doesn't mean you get it through PvP.

…aside from an accurate description of what is going on.

…except in those games, there are exceptions — things that can be done without any kind of competitive element. Not so in EVE.

It's what sets EVE apart from the standard PvE-centric game (e.g. WoW) and, by the sound of it, Entropia since it too seems to have non-competitive PvE. Regardless, if there are other full-PvP games, then that's fine — EVE is still (also) full-PvP, which is the entire point.

…so they were not very relevant to the post you commented on, and I'd venture to guess that those you qualify as “tanked” still only fitted, at most, a booster and maybe a hardener or two — not the proper tanks we were talking about.

Im not gonna undock - ever

Or an Economist.

If you provide an increase in demand for something, the prices for that thing will rise until either demand drops or supply rises to compensate.

Visa Versa for increasing supply.