EVE General Discussion

Ive only been in the game for about 2 months this time around (last time I had to leave after 3 months due to my on board video card not being good enough for the game but obvc's are always cow droppings) but ive already lost "my most expensive ship" (lol). It was one of the cruisers I got for the aniversary gift. I lost it due to a foolish mistake in one of the soe missions. Obviously i had no one but myself to blame. I just went out and bought a new one after blowing off steam at the situation (had to yell at it not being fair before I could admit that life isnt meant to be fair).



Personally, id say, make as much as you can. Your going to lose a good chuck of it at some point. In just under two months Ive gone from newb trial to 1.5 billion in assests and thats with paying for 3 plexes so far from this account. Im a merchant by aptitude, but I wouldnt hesitate to use a q ship to blow away a few gankers if they had one.

No. Denial can occur just fine without intent. If you drunkenly fall asleep half-way into the elevator, blocking the door, you've denied everyone else in the building the use of said elevator even though all you intended to do was get home.

So by mining the ore, regardless of your reason and intent, you're denying others access to the same ore.

I think you may be confusing definitions. If I deliberately stop someone from getting something, then I am denying them that thing. If my actions inadvertantly remove the possibility of that person acquiring the thing, that's different. It's the difference between "I denied them" and "they were denied". The agency in the second statement can be different to that in the first. It could be that they were denied "by circumstances", for example. I may well have had a hand in creating those circumstances, but without the intent to deny, the statements are still different.

Take the dictionary definition (Oxford one, pasted after). Every definition is tied to the word "refuse". Refusal again requires intent.

Anyway, when an argument gets to the point of dictionary definitions, it's a good sign that it won't ever be won without more time and effort than it's worth (Ormand's Law), so I'm butting out now. Because you're obviously not stupid, I'll hope you see my point even if you disagree with it. If you don't, then it doesn't really matter much anyway.

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deny

Pronunciation: /dɪˈnʌɪ/
verb (denies, denying, denied)

1 [with object] state that one refuses to admit the truth or existence of: both firms deny any responsibility for the tragedy
refuse to admit the truth of (a concept or proposition that is supported by the majority of scientific or historical evidence): an anti-environmentalist campaign group that denies climate change

2 [with two objects] refuse to give (something requested or desired) to (someone): the inquiry was denied access to intelligence sources
(deny oneself) refuse to let oneself have something that one desires: he had denied himself sexually for years
[with object] archaic refuse access to (someone): the servants are ordered to deny him

wrongly?

I am not the one making nonsensical statements about how everything is PvP centered (to justify other arguments) by bringing in examples of totally regular activities available in other games. I just happened to bring counter examples of those games that show how these are not PvP elements since are readily available in pure PvE games.

No it isn't. If I blow up the house next to your house & it damages your house severly so you can't live there for several months, whether by intention or not I've denied you access to your house. (Since we're on the real life comparison bandwagon)

…and why would I have to show that? I've never said anything of the kind.

I'm saying that every activity in EVE is PvP. You are (apparently) arguing that this is not the case, but haven't been able to explain why.

…which is entirely irrelevant to their being PvP activities in EVE.

You may be missing the objective of the perceived contempt. It's not against all people that play EVE in highsec.

Not them, specifically, but the lot of you are team-PvP:ing against other groups (and if the miners are not organised, then they're still competing against each other as well as everyone else, and you're helping them compete better).

Hard to tell. It might have something to do with their propensity for making use of completely made up numbers and “facts” to support their fantasy claims.

I am not arguing that it's not the case. I am arguing that you seem to construct the "everything in EvE is PvP" when "everything in most MMOs is PvP" instead. Therefore the veiled distinction you make about EvE vs the rest of the universe is feeble to non existant (when the other games too have player killing).