Wormholes

I'm picking up the idea that people don't really care about it being an accurate report of what happened. Not really. But that they are more concerned with someone who had a lol fit have this recorded on their losses board. What for? If they only do lol fits they're just gonna die to the next guy anyway, whether or not this was recorded as happening before or not.

I even get the feeling you're main concern is disparaging other people. I don't see how anything more than the fight and their choice to blow up requires any kind of record. We all know CCP actively encourages faggotry in this game. But that's in game, by all means send tornados at mackinaws, but why do you need to record any of this whatsoever? Hey look at my penis flapping around. It's not as big as it could be though waaaaaaaaahhh.

Way to extend beyond what has been said. Not everyone that SD is in some failfit, or even a carebear with their pants caught down.

In fact I would venture to guess there are only select cases that people SD during battle, and those are the ships with a big enough buffer to be able to get away with it.

There are plenty of legitimate fights where both sides went into it looking for PVP, but as soon as it looks like it is going south for some cap pilot they SD. They could even be the aggressor and then realize they bit off more than they could chew.

So your argument that this is simply to extend the capabilities of griefers is way off base.

But none of this matters, as you have no interest in hearing anything from the side you disagree with.

Oh, I fully understand what you want, I just don't agree. There are many game mechanics that allow one pilot to perform an action some other pilot does not like. This is just one of them.
And oh, killboards are a inaccurate anyhow (or at least, a selective truth), but I guess we don't have to discuss the obvious.


What you really mean is:

Some earn their ISK because of those inaccuracies, battles are won and lost on misjudging the opponent. Both Missing- and inaccurate information can be powerful tools.

Good intelligence information should require effort to collect, instead of it being presented to you on a silver platter.

What? You still on about KMs from SD'ing caps? Jeez, is it really a problem?

There's tons of thing around what gets onto KMs and not thats a bigger issue i think. Crying over somebody chosing to SD his/her ship when a fight already is lost getting pretty old.

That said, the most logical thing would be that a self-destruct mechanism on a ship was just like any other weapon, only with a delay, only affecting your own ship and with the attribute that it always hit for exactly whats left of your total HP.

It should end up on KM's as final blow, so if the pilot don't want to publish it, so be it. The unlogical thing is that a KM is not generated to the one with final blow, as usual.

The KMs we have now show not only that I was there, and who was agressing me at the time, but how the ship was fit, what I had in cargo etc... All that works fine I think, what Bane was talking about is the fact that there is a lot of stuff going on that you can't read from KMs.

That have little or nothing to do with SD. Even if SD would generate a KM (like it should), it should do so according to present game-mechanics, and thus it would be up to final blow to decide what to do with it.

What I would like to see is some kind of function that capture fights better than current KMs. Ambition must be to have a way of seeing who was there, and on what side. Even if you happend to be flying a logi, or ended your part in the fight with SD.

In fact, if you could separate the current mechanics of KMs and their contents (which belongs to whoever got final blow) from the fact that you where there (Info that should belong to everybody) then the only thing a SD should do, should be to deny opposing pilots the final blow, and hence the KM.

Yes it is a problem.

This is exactly what I want.

What is a killmail?

It is "A record of who was shooting at something when it exploded."

And if a killmail was generated from an SDing ship whilst it was being shot at it would be...

A record of who was shooting at something when it exploded.

When you have lots of fights, it is nice to be able to record what happened automatically, this is where the killmail system comes in.

Also don't compare docking with being in a POS, they're not the same.
Wormholes do not equal Null-sec, the mechanics are quite different.

Why should I lose out on having record of what happened just because you lost your ship a little quicker than if I had blown it up? Your ship is gone either way, why are we pretending like it didn't happen?

Well, in its current state, it fails doing that. Even if we would get KM's from SD'ing ships we would still not have a good record at what happend.

If you cry for KMs from SDs with the argument of "we need to know what happend" you barking up the wrong tree. For capturing fights, the current KM system is flawed.

If you do it like I suggested (not that far from current game-mechanics I don't think) at least every ship that gets blown up generate a KM. That's a start.

Look at the Father of LOST go.

The entire point of the new killmails/battlereports is to give a good insight into what happened in a fight. Ships SDing left and right undermine that.