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Was PI the biggest waste of effort in EVE?
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Rajan Marelona
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-07-04 07:25:46 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
There are things you can make with the processing units and no market for them at all.

Have you tried going to, oh, Jita ?
Danfen Fenix
#42 - 2012-07-04 08:14:28 UTC
You cant make a profit on PI ? Shocked Jesus, I dont think I wan't to know what you're doing with it.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-07-04 08:17:49 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:
In high season PI netted me about 46M per hour.

Not too shabby for a "waste" of feature.


Possibly the only thing you'll ever say that I actually agree with. We should definately go on a date next fanfest.

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Axium Cog
Grand Solar Trinity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#44 - 2012-07-04 08:36:42 UTC
dont forget most sov related structures are built from PI, POS fuel is built from PI, Nano Paste, and pretty much all the commodities that werent originally player manufactured.

one char with mediocre skills and 5 mins a day nets me enough to plex, and that with using lowsec planets.
it takes some getting used to, but once you figure it out its easy money and def supplements your more dangerous habits...and my Exotic Dancer habit...
Mark Androcius
#45 - 2012-07-04 08:39:32 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Why was this put into game? There are things you can make with the processing units and no market for them at all. So why is this broken system in game? Is CCP ever going to make PI worth the cost of training and ISK so that we don't feel like we've wasted time on it?


I think you whipping your CC out to pay for your sub, was the biggest waste of effort in EVE.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#46 - 2012-07-04 08:50:40 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
You cant make a profit on PI ? Shocked Jesus, I dont think I wan't to know what you're doing with it.
Extracting and directly selling P0 mats in highsec?
I'd imagine that the margins are simply too small (or even negative) on that not to generate any kind of measurable profit.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-07-04 09:24:09 UTC
I hate anything that isn't spaceships and call it a waste of resources because I am simple minded and fear change.

True story.

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gobbybobby
Negative-Impact
#48 - 2012-07-04 11:23:50 UTC  |  Edited by: gobbybobby
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I used to net about 2 bil a month from my PI army. That reminds me, I still need to start my PI back up.


how many accounts did you use tho.


I used to get about 500M a month on 1 account, making wetware mainframes 6 months ago. They where selling 1.5M each Jita back then tho, looks like under 1M today


I made about 70% of the stuff, and bought in the other 30% (as on 1 account its hard to make everything for the Top tier construction)
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#49 - 2012-07-04 11:25:45 UTC
Sovereignty was.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#50 - 2012-07-04 11:39:10 UTC
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
PI is sooooo boring. I did it for about a month or two, using two different accounts, 8 planets total. Even though it's a fairly decent amount of ISK that can be gained with minimal effort, I don't even bother anymore. It's just too bleh. It's worse than mining.


This. Did PI in a WH. Made decent isk, but maximizing production meant I quickly drained the sources, and had to move to maintain the production rate. Moving every couple days, and having to move heads daily too up time I could have spent having fun.

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Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-07-04 11:48:58 UTC
Two clicks twice a month and I get a free 60mil - seems fine to me.

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Grizilk Chanlin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2012-07-04 12:12:49 UTC
1 character, 5 planets, 2.5 million a day for 5 min of work per day in high sec. Seems fine for me at this time.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-07-04 12:15:49 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
* Vincent Athena hides huge pile of PI generated ISK under the bed.

Yep, totally worthless...


Well share your secret because I am not seeing that it is worth the effort.



PI requires some effort and logistic strategic, there are far too much people selling PI at low cost because they stop their production at low levels and sell primary or secondary PI products.

You need to find some product you can produce at least P1-P2 and eventually P3 in the same planet, choose the right extraction cycle for no waste and of course do this on several planets.
Your logistic strategy will be to waste less time possible doing this and make it so you can transport your goods at a good place for sell.

If you do it right you can win a lot of isk, but actually if you don't have good planets and can't sell those goods for good price then you'll be better ratting in null/low, your isk/h is greater.

brb
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#54 - 2012-07-04 12:20:20 UTC
If your not making money from PI (even HiSec PI) your doing it very wrong.

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Frank Corncob
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-07-04 12:49:01 UTC
I use PI to make fuel for my POS, because the ice I mine is free I save a lot of money!!!!
Kristof Atruin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2012-07-04 13:49:14 UTC
Not useless at all, you just have to do your market research. I spent months making a profit making robotics from p1 on a single planet, until I figured out the higher volume in a different production plan would get me greater profits. I have 10 planets in total now. My import / export taxes are low, but I also pay 375 isk / m3 to export product to Jita. I still make around 600m a month, which only requires me to log in for 30 minutes or so a day to poke my colonies and keep them producing. Once every 3 weeks I have to uproot an extractor setup and move it to a new hotspot, which is the only time a lot of clicking is involved. This setup also allows me to leave enough of an input buffer on my combat main that I can deploy for a few days without significantly interrupting my income stream.

There are many products which have a global demand so low that a single player could crash the market, but as you can see if you do your research you can make a lot of isk for relatively low effort. The feature as a whole is far from a waste of effort. I'm hoping to see the concept expanded so that there are even more viable things to produce.
Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-07-04 14:13:55 UTC
I pay for 2 accounts with plex through PI, and still have enough left over for shiny, shiny spaceboatmurder.
Signal11th
#58 - 2012-07-04 14:18:55 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Was PI the biggest waste of effort in EVE?



Strangely enough I though Magnum would have had more of an impact in EVE, He used to be quality in the 80's even with the dodgy tache.

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#59 - 2012-07-04 16:48:04 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:
* Vincent Athena hides huge pile of PI generated ISK under the bed.

Yep, totally worthless...


Well share your secret because I am not seeing that it is worth the effort.



PI requires some effort and logistic strategic, there are far too much people selling PI at low cost because they stop their production at low levels and sell primary or secondary PI products.

You need to find some product you can produce at least P1-P2 and eventually P3 in the same planet, choose the right extraction cycle for no waste and of course do this on several planets.
Your logistic strategy will be to waste less time possible doing this and make it so you can transport your goods at a good place for sell.

If you do it right you can win a lot of isk, but actually if you don't have good planets and can't sell those goods for good price then you'll be better ratting in null/low, your isk/h is greater.


Thank you Lin for the advice. I think what I was doing wrong was not looking ahead to see what advanced products could be built from the resources gathered on the planet. I figured out now how to collect two, of the right resources, and am in the process of combining them to make an advanced product. I thought PI would be more like SWG's resource gathering system. We collect the resources. Then use them in crafting. I didn't really know that all the crafting took place in the PI processes.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-07-04 17:05:33 UTC
gobbybobby wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
I used to net about 2 bil a month from my PI army. That reminds me, I still need to start my PI back up.


how many accounts did you use tho.


I used to get about 500M a month on 1 account, making wetware mainframes 6 months ago. They where selling 1.5M each Jita back then tho, looks like under 1M today


I made about 70% of the stuff, and bought in the other 30% (as on 1 account its hard to make everything for the Top tier construction)


2 accounts. All slots were trained with ccu4 ic4 and rs1

In a wormhole btw