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REMOVING ICE FROM HIGH SEC WTF
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Orlacc
#21 - 2011-10-07 16:39:41 UTC
So OP is blaming everyone else because he is a coward....

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
#22 - 2011-10-07 16:52:53 UTC
The OP did an extremely poor job of explaning why removing ice from high sec is a horrendously bad idea. However, that doesn't change the fact that it is indeed a horrendously bad idea, and I trust that when CCP actually pauses to consider all the cause-and-effect ripples this would have throughout the game they'll decide to simply leave well enough alone.

Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Galadriel Vasquez
Project Omega Industries
Fraternity.
#23 - 2011-10-07 17:31:03 UTC
I think Mr OP needs to take a breath. Its well known Bots mine Ice in High Sec - sending them to Low Sec will be Gankarama for the people that populate there.
The resultant losses of many Mackinaws will cause a spike for the ship building Industrialists. Also there will be losses from Macks being used as bait by clever folk - ganking the gankers. Its a merry-go-round.
As for you taking legal action - surely you are not serious?
But hey your post made me laugh and spit my Coffee all over the place and for that I salute you.

I have tin foil hat trained to 5.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#24 - 2011-10-07 17:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Since this thread is really low in facts and high in alarmist BS posts:

CCP Greyscale wrote:
RG Sneaker wrote:
Will Ice mining in hi sec end?
I might just close my hi sec POS then :-(
Thinking about it a bit, not sure where we're going to go. We might not change it at all, we might just make hisec belts deplete (and regen as normal) so they can roughly meet hisec demand.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1565827&page=2#55
Satav
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-07 20:45:10 UTC
All i hear are carebear tears.......

Dude, games change. If you'd rather sit in empire and rot be my guest.

You could have seen it as an opportunity to make tons of iskies in 0.0. but nooooooooooo. It doesn't fit into your little box of what you think eve should be. Roll with the punches dude.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#26 - 2011-10-07 21:32:31 UTC
The people who will be complaining about ice removal from high sec will be the low/null sec people who need the product. Every so often the prices sky rocket because demand goes way up. It isn't from highsec wars. Call it a "seasonal item" of sorts.

As for bots, they are in lowsec too. They will adapt and survive like cockroaches.

Btw, I really don’t care either way. I will say that, as it stands, the system has a unique balance that is interesting to observer.
Woo Glin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2011-10-07 21:55:51 UTC
you pay to play eve
Woo Glin
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2011-10-07 21:55:59 UTC
and then you mine ice
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-07 22:07:08 UTC
Actually, removing ice from high sec would probably only make ice mining harder for legitimate players - bots would thrive in low and null sec.

HINT: if programmed properly, bots don't make mistakes provided that Monkeysphere isn't hanging around.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#30 - 2011-10-07 22:22:51 UTC
Cerisia wrote:
I came expecting tears and left satisfied..


I came too. No tears involved tho.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#31 - 2011-10-07 22:23:56 UTC
Woo Glin wrote:
you pay to play eve


That's almost as stupid as paying to join an alliance.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-10-08 01:42:03 UTC
Removing ice for high sec is a monsterly bad idea. Many pos's are run in high sec.. so removing the ice would make high sec dependant on low sec or null for for ice fuel.. The trouble with this is null sec ice would not get to high sec in enough quatity for supply the need. and low sec ice.. nearly never goes anywhere for the hassle it is to run it.

I believe whoever had this brain dead idea needs to rethink it.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2011-10-08 01:44:40 UTC
Etherials wrote:
Would there really be a major difference in bot mechanics between Hi and null sec?

Surely the only change to the bot would be 'if friendly in local continue mining, if non friendly return to station' friendly being donated as corp/alliance/blue and non friendly being everybody else.



are you really giving advice based on breaking the EULA?

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DigDoug
Bare Minimum Bandits
I Showed You My Probes... Please Respond...
#34 - 2011-10-08 04:49:19 UTC
The thing that is funniest in this thread is the people who brush off or justify a change like this by saying, games change or you will have to change blah blah blah. While the angst is high on a proposition like this by those in high sec I simply have a couple of observations. First, is the patronage of players in high sec somehow inherently less valuable to CCP in some way that their game experience is so easily dismissed and relegated as some kind of experimental test monkey? Second, if the roles were reversed and a devblog was published where they were talking about moving high end moons to .2 and .3 space and ABCM minerals to highsec, the flood of tears would be enough to drown the world.
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
#35 - 2011-10-08 21:06:50 UTC
Satav wrote:
All i hear are carebear tears.......

Dude, games change. If you'd rather sit in empire and rot be my guest.

You could have seen it as an opportunity to make tons of iskies in 0.0. but nooooooooooo. It doesn't fit into your little box of what you think eve should be. Roll with the punches dude.



So sitting in empire doesn't fit with how you think eve should be played?

If you're going to have a standard, make it a single, not a double

Ice is known as low paid, but so what? what business of it is anyones if people want to do the low paid profession, people mine ice for pos's and they're happy with that, if they do remove ice from high sec, then it will have massive impacts across a lot of eve, isotopes will go up in price, logistics into 0.0 will be more expensive due to the higher fuel costs, running towers anywhere will be more expensive, instead of messing around with high sec belts they could focus their efforts into bot detection.

It's all speculation anyway, so wait and see what happens, if they take it out they take it out, there's nothing we can do about it, ccp work in mysterious ways after all.
Kiran
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2011-10-09 10:45:51 UTC
DigDoug wrote:
The thing that is funniest in this thread is the people who brush off or justify a change like this by saying, games change or you will have to change blah blah blah. While the angst is high on a proposition like this by those in high sec I simply have a couple of observations. First, is the patronage of players in high sec somehow inherently less valuable to CCP in some way that their game experience is so easily dismissed and relegated as some kind of experimental test monkey? Second, if the roles were reversed and a devblog was published where they were talking about moving high end moons to .2 and .3 space and ABCM minerals to highsec, the flood of tears would be enough to drown the world.


This guys says it all.

Removing ice from high sec will be a bad move for the industries in New Eden and the markets. Who ever thought this would be a good idea needs to have their one remaining brain cell taken off them. And anyone who thinks this is good needs a shotgun putting to their head to have an air conditioned brain.
Its the real life equivelance of removing all the pine trees in Scandinavia "OMG no more Ikea"

As for the OP getting legal aid on this one I think you should read the EULA CCP states they can change the game anytime they like whether you like it or not. Nothing you can do about it, or you could just quit and forget about this game.
pussnheels
Viziam
#37 - 2011-10-09 13:24:29 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
First removing ice from high sec was a idea put forward bu CCP greyscale a few months ago about giving nulsec aindustry a boost
If you had taken the time to read the feed back posted about these ideas which can be found here http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1565828
you would know there is serious opposition against removing all ice from high sec with some really good arguments against it

So calm down i don't expect they will be taking ice away from high sec and give it to the nullsec idiots and let the whole economy go into a deep ressecsion it will never recover from

But indeed something needs to be done to make it much harder to use bots for ice mining

Goons Delenda Est

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Maeda Toshiie
Diverse Endeavors
#38 - 2011-10-09 13:40:38 UTC
Kiran wrote:


This guys says it all.

Removing ice from high sec will be a bad move for the industries in New Eden and the markets. Who ever thought this would be a good idea needs to have their one remaining brain cell taken off them. And anyone who thinks this is good needs a shotgun putting to their head to have an air conditioned brain.
Its the real life equivelance of removing all the pine trees in Scandinavia "OMG no more Ikea"




One of the few games I know of where the rules just change.

I suspect "balancing" actually costs more in player attrition then it delivers. Folks adapt to the current rules, spend a lot of time and effort learning how to be successful, then the rules arbitrarily change, wiping out their investment. This one won't hurt me much, but I do see the frustration. People get annoyed with games who's rules are so malleable.
seanb29
Clan Black Dragon
#39 - 2011-10-09 19:07:11 UTC
can i ask why some people think if someone is mining in high sec,that person is a bot? i mine in both high sec and low sec and am not a bot,and for certain people calling any miner in high sec a bot is alittle unfair.Twisted
kyrv
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2011-10-09 19:10:15 UTC
Don't you think making 0.0 empires mine their own ice is worth watching? Belligerent Super cap pilots may still be.