Warfare & Tactics

Good fight! Was a lot of fun :)

80v20 and almost pulled it off, well done brosefs.

To answer your questions, yes because we knew you would hot drop everything you could once we put a single carrier on the field. We outnumbered you and yet you fought us and then dropped caps, then when your dread was dying and you couldn’t break our logi you decided to drop your super, you could have docked up and logged yet you engaged and maintained the attack so don’t get upset that you lost.

As for the ECM, we knew you had guardians so yea we brought Amarr jammers. Next time we will bring all non Amarr jammers so that you can use your guardians effectively, sorry for planning for a fight and bringing the proper ships.
I am sure those 5 members would have made the difference too.

As for your super, you will never know how close you came to losing it and if you would have dropped more they would have died along with you. It’s OK though it was a good fight even if we would have lost it was still nice to see us standing toe to toe for once instead of one side or the other dropping 20 caps and skewing the fight. Thanks for coming and thanks for all the fish.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over our clear victory last night.

was a really fun fight tbh, here's a brief battle report to enlighten any1 who is interested, and clear up a couple of untruths in this thread.

Firstly we formed about a 20man T3, BS and 5x guardian gang to chase after 45 or so caldari. We took this gang all the way to akidagi to try and kick start the fight and the caldari gang jumped into ichorya. We sat on the hisec gate for around 30 minutes when our fleet members started saying they had to log, we told the caldari scout in local they had 5 minutes or we were leaveing, 5 minutes came and went so we warped off. Ofcourse as we started warping off the caldari started warping to the akidagi gate, we had gained a few and lost a few during this time and our fleet was at about 20 (not including scouts / boosters etc) ... our actual fleet topped out at 26 members. Reports from ichorya we're around 70 caldari including 5 scorpions and a similar number of Blackbirds, + some bs and lots of BC's / kitchen sink.

We decided to take the fight anyway although vastly outnumbered, we had 2 triage on standby which should (and for a short while did) have held reps against the caldari kitchen sink with our high reistance T3's / BS's.

The fight kicked off in enaluri with the caldari jumping into us, orders were to primary the scorpions when they decloaked, we killed 3 almost immediately before the caldari guardians could do their thing and landed reps on the fourth in deep structure (bolster was a lucky boy )

At this point it became difficult for us to break anything, the caldari guardians were doing a great job, our own guardians began getting perma jammed unsurprisingly so we bought in our first triage, he did a great job and our reps began to hold for a while. We killed a guardian and one or two other small ships and the caldari dropped a thanatos and archon on the field. They began neuting our triage so I dropped in as a second triage. Unfortunately whilst watching my carrier my proteus got melted without having chance to broadcast (god damn dual boxing). We dropped the super at this point as it was clear we couldn't break the caldari guardians and triage reps. The super began working on the carrier while our subcaps continued shooting random targets hoping to break something, but to no avail. I was podded and back in nisuwa by this point and it was clear we weren't going to break anything unless we could remove the caldari carriers (they had a 3rd carrier on field by this point) so I called for a cyno to drop my moros at about the time my alts archon went down. I dropped the moros in the middle of the fight and the combined damage from the moros / nyx melted the caldari thanatos and put an archon into deep armor before the moros got neuted dry. Once the moros was out of cap it became clear the fight was lost so I called for the super to evac and the subcaps to deagress and jump out, leaving my moros and our remaining carrier to die.

Was a really great fight tbh and imo it hung in the balance for a while, if we could have dropped 1 more dread with my moros I think we would have broken the caldari carriers and the result may have been different but unfortunately that wasn't to be.

doctored battle report is here ...

http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=8533

doesn't show isk values on dog-net but as a rough estimate I'd say we're looking at about 3 bill lost for caldari and 12-15 bill for gallente. Not an entirely horrible result considering the 3 to 1 ish odds we were facing.


good fight squiddies, hopefully we can have some more of the same in future o7

Actually we might just be taking the p.ss on you, since you once saw fit to make a multi-page thread about "We managed to podkill Damar" so dont complain now.

This is silly. I have no idea why pilots in the Caldari militia feel the need to post on what little victories they have, everytime. Sad really. All if not most of these victories aren't even worth bragging about. Silly.

It's almost like high school. You know! Nerds trying to be one of the cool kids. Atempting to show they have some worth in life. Whelp! Trying to hard to prove yourself isn't cool. Infact, it's sad.

Chill, smile and snub your nose @ your enemies in silence. Killboards will say the rest...


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Come on now Gavin, you know they are all afk and the ones that are not would bring frigs, dessies or cruisers :p As a matter of fact I lost count of the idiots hopping on coms, interrupting the FC to offer help, and then showing up in a useless ship.

Again tho had a blast, was a heck of a fight. You might want to put a leash on your **** smacktalkers tho, tbh they make you all look like morons.

GF

Why is it always ok for Gals to come to the forums and smack, telling us they were going to run us out of low sec, or that there is only 3 Militias'.. ect..ect add mission bear commits here or ISK farmers there.. Meanwhile we poke a bit at Gal and suddenly it's somehow over the top bragging that we should be ashamed of.



We have heard SoTF and Gals complain a long time that Caldari only brig out frigs or Drakes.. So now Caldari bring out Armor BS & caps and you guys lose in the first big fight. Considering this was a pretty big fight I'd say it's worthy of a little smack talk. I've seen much worse regarding null sec wars that barely kill a small percentage of what gets blown up each day in FW.

Have you ever seen smack talk that comes out of the mouths from Gals in Heydieles, Rakapas and Vlillirier? I mean I read every day that Caldari has nothing but LP farmers running plexes that it's never PVPers doing them getting fights or Caldari actually putting effort to control the war zone. Nope it's never that just LP farmers that win the war for us.

Please don't tell us about 10 year olds when I'm sure you know yourself how bad the smack is from the chest thumpers in those systems that wear the green jerseys.

How many times do you think I've personally listened to 10 year old diarrhea of local, from guys like Val Erwin.. Personally I don't take any of it seriously, but it's fun to push buttons of some of those with-in Gal Militia when they are so easily trolled.

And they might have gotten help if any of the following were true:
Anyone besides the "cool kids" had any idea SOTF had a big fleet looking to take on you guys and had a workable plan (this is sadly normal)
SOTF/cats called for re-enforcements when the fight started kicking off or shortly before. (That is somewhat understandable, but knowing you are going into a fight outnumbered even with a trick up your sleeve, backup/cannon fodder is often advised.)
When backup was called for, peopel were actualy dragged into coms/fleet. (no one was pulled into fleet or coms, just a shout for "come to x!" (where x wasn't the system of engagement) )
When help was called for, basic intel about the engagement was given so the pilots could at least get in the right ship, and know what they were heading into. (no intel was given about either fleet, what to bring, etc.)

Many that could have helped, that have BS/T3/Caps ready in nenna, did not come. We didn't feel like taking ships blind, with no plan, no coms, and not in the fleet. Most that did go, took KM-wh*ring ships, or fast ships. Some of them managed to help in small ways such as killing small tackle/ECM.

tl;dr
better planning could have resulted in a better outcome, but what happened is not surprising to me in the least.