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My last rant to CCP

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Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2012-07-03 12:41:15 UTC
Roime wrote:

Carebear Excuse #2 "I have a real life and others don't" spotted.

Move to wormhole space, it's an environment where much smaller entities can thrive and even have access to ABC ore, and where mining operations can be protected by a very small force and effort.

EVE is not just the black & white of hisec vs sov null, but also endless shades of grey in between.



It might be hard to drill in thick skulls but nowhere EvE gets a statement about "minimum of 2 hours a day required to play or GTFO".

Living in a WH is actually thougher than living in 0.0. Less people but much, MUCH more work and the requirements to have enough online to do that C5 are actually stricter than just joining random CTA members.
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#82 - 2012-07-03 12:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Deviana Sevidon
I am not a miner and I was never suicide ganked but he does have a point.

A sandbox game is not a game were one group of players can do their thing to disrupt the gameplay of other players without some consequences. Without sufficient consquences entire groups of players are literally driven out and that hurts everyone because if miners are not allowed to mine or just prevented by relativly simple measures and forced to quit EVE stops being a sandbox.

Player numbers have already dropped further then previous years and if the trend continues the future of EVE might be in danger.

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.

Roime
Shiva Furnace
#83 - 2012-07-03 12:50:19 UTC
Alaya Carrier wrote:

It might be hard to drill in thick skulls but nowhere EvE gets a statement about "minimum of 2 hours a day required to play or GTFO".

Living in a WH is actually thougher than living in 0.0. Less people but much, MUCH more work and the requirements to have enough online to do that C5 are actually stricter than just joining random CTA members.


I believe that statement exists only inside one particular thick skull.

There's very little work when you share the load with a bunch of good guys, and if C5 is too much trouble, why not go lower class? Maybe I'm just lucky to have found a great group (props to Shiva pilots!), or it's down to routine, but I find wormhole life to be very comfortable and low maintenance indeed. Only finding targets can sometimes be a PITA Lol

Obviously EVE has the potential to be a massive time-sink and can suck all your time, but casual playing is perfectly possible outside hisec. Just don't aim to conquer all of South or evict AHARM out of their Nova right away and you'll be fine.

It's all about setting up goals that suit your available schedule, and having a good time Cool

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Antarra Starwind
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#84 - 2012-07-03 12:55:28 UTC
Gods OP, you didn't even try, did you?

The troll-fu is weak non-existent in this one.

0.5/10.
Reft Ar'en
Cent0S
Federation Uprising
#85 - 2012-07-03 13:07:29 UTC
I mined in a Hulk literally throughout all of the last two Hulkageddons. Only once did I ever have an "issue"; a scout warped into the belt. I warped out, docked up, made a sandwich, watched an episode of Futurama, logged back in - problem solved.

I really don't get the problem with Hulkageddon. It gives the PvPers something to do, and it means that AFK mining is a little less hands-off. So what?
Frying Doom
#86 - 2012-07-03 13:29:53 UTC
Reft Ar'en wrote:
I mined in a Hulk literally throughout all of the last two Hulkageddons. Only once did I ever have an "issue"; a scout warped into the belt. I warped out, docked up, made a sandwich, watched an episode of Futurama, logged back in - problem solved.

I really don't get the problem with Hulkageddon. It gives the PvPers something to do, and it means that AFK mining is a little less hands-off. So what?

Maybe people just feel that the risk vs. reward is too high, when you are getting paid like a Chinese gold farmer to start with.
Maybe it's a nice feeling to mine and read the paper and feel like your getting some where even if your buggered from RL work. A lot of people use EvE to unwind, if it is stress full, it no longer performs it's function.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#87 - 2012-07-03 13:46:54 UTC
Roime wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:

Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.

For example:

Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.

AK


Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.

And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy.


/whoosh

This why forums are poor places to debate with style; all the cadence and tonality is removed.

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Obmud
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2012-07-03 13:55:04 UTC
Roime wrote:

Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.

And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy.


Eh ? If you try to mimic any understanding of logics please do so with at least reading up some before you do. That stuff didnt even make sense you just said.

Obmud wrote: I just thrive on forum drama. - by Riot Girl - at 2013.11.28 04:46:00

You should sig that, it will look good on you.

Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#89 - 2012-07-03 14:05:08 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
EvEa Deva wrote:
Please do not call ganking miners PvP, its called ganking miners


Player on one side. Player on the other side. Violence in the middle. Sounds like PvP to me.


Now I know what real pvp is.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#90 - 2012-07-03 14:07:11 UTC
I haven't read through the 5 pages of "HTFU", but I feel like an important point must be made:

It's Hulkageddon, not Hulkmania.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#91 - 2012-07-03 14:18:12 UTC
Not everyone will like EVE. That's why I like EVE.

If I ever quit playing it won't be because of rage but rather indifference. I won't even care enough to post anything.
Andoria Thara
Fallen Avatars
#92 - 2012-07-03 14:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Andoria Thara
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:

He choose to be a miner, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that People are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.


He chose to be a pirate, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that people are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox, but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to gank were ever and how ever they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.


See what I did there?

Point being, ANY changes to the game is inevitably going to ruin someone else's play style, CCP is walking a fine line.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-07-03 14:37:19 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
I dont give a fu.. how you players respond to this thread. In a few days all of you and EVE wont matter. In a few years EVE wont matter to the gaming community. It will be just another mmo that died a slow death.

TL;DR?

I bot and now I can't.

bugger off m8!

Big smile

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

flakeys
Doomheim
#94 - 2012-07-03 14:52:37 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
I also have 250bil and wish to make a whine thread about losing ships to the value of 0.1% of my liquid ISK



Alaya Carrier wrote:
So, you OP have 250B but can't afford risking a ship to gankers every now and then?



For him it is not about the isk.Something i understand , though i am not a miner nor affected by hulkageddon crap , he feels his profession is being ****** in this game and i agree 100 % at this time with him .

I however don't expect you to understand this .. but then you also don't have 250 B so how could you ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
#95 - 2012-07-03 14:53:57 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I haven't read through the 5 pages of "HTFU", but I feel like an important point must be made:

It's Hulkageddon, not Hulkmania.


THANK YOU! That's been bothering me.
Danel Tosh
Nocturnal Reconnaissance and Manufacturing
Eve Engineering
#96 - 2012-07-03 14:59:20 UTC
Dude dont quit, wait till they rebalance mining barges and give the skiff battleship level EHP to prevent ganking. If gankers are your problem then use the skiff when it comes out this winter (most likely) or join a null sec allaince and mine with them 24/7 so you dont have to worry about random gankers.

Just so you know I used to be a Hisec miner (many of us were at some point), granted null sec is dangerous, BUT its far more profitable than Hisec mining. every time I go out to mine aI make enough Isk to buy me 3 or 4 covetors so even if i get blown up I can still easily replace what i lost and then some.
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#97 - 2012-07-03 15:02:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jafit
Musashi IV wrote:
I have over 250 billion ISK so ISK is not the problem. Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.


So your playstyle revolves around increasing the number displayed in your wallet while occupying yourself with something you consider to be more entertaining than actually playing the game?

Did you know you can now spin your ship in your station hangar in perfect safety to make the counter at the bottom on the screen increase? That might be a better approach if your playstyle revolves around watching an arbitrary number go up endlessly for no reason. I'm sure it'd be easy to write a bot that just moves the mouse to the side for you so you don't have to read your newspaper with one hand dedicated to moving the mouse.

Alternatively there are probably some single player games that allow you to endlessly aquire fake wealth with minimal interactivity after reaching a certain point. It would make more sense to do that than play a multiplayer game where other players can interact with you.

I'd like to think that the op is a troll, but... there are people who play like this.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#98 - 2012-07-03 15:07:04 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
I have to agree with the op.

He choose to be a miner, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that People are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.

you choose to be prey, you chose to get hunted

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#99 - 2012-07-03 15:09:51 UTC
Huh...if Hulkageddon is still raging why is there 50+ covertors, retriever, mackinaws and hulks crawling over the Kamio ice field? I think the OP is delusional.
Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-07-03 15:22:08 UTC
Well, all I can say is that I'm glad I am the Orca pilot. My main's corp decided that the gankage was way too much and started flying Rokhs. The yield is substantially lower than a max yield Hulk, but we were getting ganked often by well rehearsed teams of a hi sec looter/salvager and his (-5 sec) assassin buddy. It is NOT relaxing for my corp mates as the Rokh cargo hold fills up in 3 mins and must be jettisoned and/or moved to jet can.

I know that the Orca is a juicy valid target too, but it takes a much more coordinated effort to take one out, and so far, nobody has gone to that much trouble. -knock on wood-

BTW, the heavy ganks started way before HV, and we dealt with it by a change to Rokhs. Others would deal differently. But since our change, we have not been harrassed by gankers (only the occassional can flipper).

We are looking forward to the new Ore ships, and (of course) we will be using the tanky version when they come out.

I am sad to say that the days of a relaxing mining profession are gone.