EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

You are assuming we actually play SC2...

Actually everyone is doing rather well this year. Kil2 is solid as usual and even the new faces like laz are are doing great with commenting on whats happening and theory crafting. My real only complaint is MB3, the amount of ums, yeahs, ehs.... is similar to a barbie doll from california, but I know this is difficult to do am hoping the nerves die down in the upcoming weeks.

Just dont make jokes, dont try to be cute, just commentate on the event at hand. Thats all we want and gj guys.

We need more 'in depth' talk. I'm referring to the match of THE SPACE P0LICE where one tengu died in almost full shield to 3 Taloses. The commentators were amazed which is not so weird if you spend a little time in pvp you would know that taloses ripp through ships (like most T3 bcs) if their positon is set up well. It woul be nice if they would talk more about how good their engagement is. Are they in a good/bad position? Is their angle good? Changing ammo types for ranges? Is their speed favoring them? Why are they not moving but rather shooting stationary?

More camera views on the battlefield
Also the camera view is bad often times. Its zoomed in on one ship, and literaly just on one ship. We need to see whats happening on the field, so zoom out more and show us the bigger picture.

Opinions on ships should be more constructive and short
When any commentators give opinions about their 'favorite ships' tell us more why and how its a great ship instead of the 'Its so good. It can tank so much. The damage is so great. It can fly so fast'.
Instead give us something we can awe about. like: The imperial navy slicer is good, because you can kite well with it. If you fit locus rigs you will increase your optimal and with scorch ammo your range can extend to 24kmish range which is compared to ...... This allows you to.......Also the speed is.....But the weaknes is ..... you get what I mean.

Tips for the commentators
I do not blame the commentators for their current performance. There is few practice material out there. In games such as starcraft you can record and playback all matches thus the commentating level is much higher in that game (day9 is a well known commentator explaining progamers tactics). However in Eve there is no recording of your battles so its hard to become good at commentating with no way of praticing it.

But I think the commentators can improve alot by going through a few simple steps:


1. What are the teams flying (what are the roles of each ship)
2. What would be the best primary and/or secondary targets? (or rather what are the different approaches to handle the team's compositions)
3. Check their high slots (gun types)
4. Check their velocity (nano, mwd, ab, armor buffer tank)
5. Check their range (strategy, sniper/kite or brawl)
6. Check angular velocity (guns) or velocity (missiles) (how hard can they hit from their current position)

A ship flying at 1km/s or 2km/s already tells alot about his fitting and what type of weapons he has fitted. Thus narrows the possible strategies the team can do in order to beat the enemy.
Giving the commentators their fits would help alot, but they dont need it. Just as much you dont need to see everyting of your opponent in starcraft. Much is shown of the enemy just by the sheer sight of how they are flying. Take for example a kiting frigate vs. a brawling frigate. The kiting frigate would probably have a mwd and would fly around 20km with a long point while the brawling frigate would try to close in the gap to get his scram on the opponent. Just by looking at how the frigates engage exposes what they are fitted for and narrows the possible strategies.

It bothers me that they don't talk about any of the variables in battle and link them to how this affects their damage/tank and/or set up; velocity, angle and weapon type and ammo. Its not alot of effort to talk about this type of stuff if you play pvp in eve, because this is just basic stuff you deal with everytime you engage someone.



'Oh a hawk just died' - meanwhile camera man is trying to get the best angle on wreck and bc.

Just rewatched Goonswarm Federation vs Brick Squad. Heres a quote:

So did anyone become any wiser out of this? Why are four mids good? Why blasters? When I last played Eve rockets did alot of damage as well.
Ofcourse Blaster do alot of damage, but you need to be ... to your enemy. The merlin with four mids allows you to fit... and ..... in addition to your prop module and ....
Why is there no basic information such as these. It will help newer people alot to get better and it encourages them to come and try out pvp in low/null sec lowering the boundaries and learning curve. And for veteran players its alot more fun to hear someone talking that understands what they are talking about (with good arguments) and can explain what we are seeing.

It is great you are watching the forums actively, thank you. And as of the next matches, gl :D

I still wanna know if Kil2 has figured out how to differentiate beams and pulses. It's kinda a critical thing to be able to do if you're going to expend half a minute extolling the terribileness of a team's fit based upon your own inability to tell what the fit actually is.

Hint: fast RoF, pulses. Slow RoF: beams. Nevermind the actual turret models. Or the colors of the lasers indicating ammo types.

In any case, I'm totally still not bitter for being smacked by Kil2 for half of a match about my beam Harbinger when it was a pulse Harbinger back in AT8.

And for what it's worth, while I was at work Saturday and thus missed the tournament broadcast that day, I did watch Sunday and thought that whomever it was casting with MBIII was fine given the circumstances.

MB, to be honest man, it's not that you're terrible, it's that your casting feels forced. You're trying too hard to compensate for the fact that you don't have enough information to tell what's going on, and it comes across as you being a clown. That said, I don't know if this your normal self or not, as my only interaction with you in person was storming into your hotel room in Room With a View absolutely hammered with some of my Rote brosefs my last night at Fanfest and waking you up, and you were understandably rather unhappy with the situation.

Well, sometimes resists are a huge deal.
In the gallente vs gallente mirror that happened, for example. The Ishkurs wouldn't die, because they tank like 2.5k DPS on kin/therm and that's all you can shoot as Gallente. Instead the commentators said that it was the TDs that meant they couldn't hit a double-webbed and scrammed AF

Hates gonna hate, Keep up the good work, Zastrow and MBIII. I enjoyed it.

How about keep it simple.. after the first weekend how do you rank these guys? Here's my rankings:

#1 - Raivi: Well rounded.. good overviews of the action, pertinent comments on how the teams were matched up.
#2 - Lazarus Telraven: After he got in the groove, he was great. Stuck to the facts,focused on the play-by-play. Great for a first time!
#3 - Kil2: VERY knowledgable..yes suffered at times from "information lag", but seemed to have the most depth of knowledge.
#4 - Zastrow: Seems to be a better "color" guy than a play-by-play guy. Most experienced..and yes did well enough.
#5 - Michael BoltonIII: Weakest link. Yes painful at times.. MBIII could stand to remember that he is basically standing on a podium with 10,000 people listening to him speak. Yes, you WILL be nervous.. and please do not channel that nervous energy to your mouth and random thoughts about items in your environment or in that of your fellow commentator's environment (wall pictures? really?). Focus on the action.. if you have information lag.. say nothing ("better to be silent and thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt"). Perhaps you should focus on the tactical screen and let us all know where each teams ships are positioned. It's hard to see the tac screen on those displays.

I am a trained public speaker, and considering the live nature of what these guys are doing, I think they did OK. Whenever you get up in front of an audience of ANY size.. let alone the 10,000+ or so who watch this live.. you are going to be nervous. Focus on what you know.. and only that.. we want to hear what you have to say..and your experiences that give credence to your statements. You will never ever NOT be nervous.. but we have a saying.."It's not the butterflies you have in your stomach.. it's how well you can make them fly in formation!" {grin}

Keep working guys.. and yes.. I recommend you pair up and have one focus on "color" and the other on "play-by-play".. pretty good job all around, and hopefully you'll have the routine polished in time for the GROUP stage and FINALS. I'm enjoying watching. ---Des

yes they are, they'll be in studio for the last 2 weekends