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Enforcing the law.

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Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#21 - 2011-10-07 21:24:01 UTC
Law? What a quiant concept for capsuleers to discuss.

We are immortal capsuleers, beholden to no one, with wealth and power of a hundred worlds at our fingertips, and lives in the hundreds of thousands at our whims. We are clearly a caste above any such triffling as domestic, planetary or Imperial Law.

We are the Law, if we wish it to be so. There is no Law if we do not.

The only Law that counts is what one can enforce themselves via the barrel or launcher of their preferred weapons systems.

Worrying about such trivialities as the Laws of the mayfly planet-bound is a waste of capsuleer time. And it takes alot to waste the time of a man to whom time no longer matters.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#22 - 2011-10-07 22:33:37 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:
We are the Law, if we wish it to be so. There is no Law if we do not.



What words from one supposedly of faith in God. If there is no law, what makes you any different from terrorist thugs with guns and over-inflated egos (like us fine folks here in Ushra'Khan)?

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Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#23 - 2011-10-07 23:36:46 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
What words from one supposedly of faith in God.


I wouldn't make that assumption if I were you. Any faith in a so-called "God" died in me quite a while ago.

I remain with CVA for purely selfish and secular reasons. I like the silly Goat-herders.

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If there is no law, what makes you any different from terrorist thugs with guns and over-inflated egos (like us fine folks here in Ushra'Khan)?


Nothing makes us different, in my view. We're all Capsuleers, wagging our...egos....at each other in a terrably entertaining little song and dance. End of the day, it's all just a great excuse to shoot each other and yammer at each other in local comm channels.



Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2011-10-08 01:42:17 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:

We are the Law, if we wish it to be so. There is no Law if we do not.

The only Law that counts is what one can enforce themselves via the barrel or launcher of their preferred weapons systems.

Worrying about such trivialities as the Laws of the mayfly planet-bound is a waste of capsuleer time. And it takes alot to waste the time of a man to whom time no longer matters.


You talk like a man who has lost his faith, has lost his friends and has lost any real purpose.

Trivialities are more important to a one for whom time no longer matters.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-08 01:54:17 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:
I wouldn't make that assumption if I were you. Any faith in a so-called "God" died in me quite a while ago.

I remain with CVA for purely selfish and secular reasons. I like the silly Goat-herders.


Well well well. That's some plain and simple honesty I can respect. If CVA ever gets tired of you, look me up. I like the cut of your jib.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2011-10-08 10:55:22 UTC
Alistair Cononach wrote:
Law? What a quiant concept for capsuleers to discuss.

We are immortal capsuleers, beholden to no one, with wealth and power of a hundred worlds at our fingertips, and lives in the hundreds of thousands at our whims. We are clearly a caste above any such triffling as domestic, planetary or Imperial Law.

We are the Law, if we wish it to be so. There is no Law if we do not.

The only Law that counts is what one can enforce themselves via the barrel or launcher of their preferred weapons systems.

Worrying about such trivialities as the Laws of the mayfly planet-bound is a waste of capsuleer time. And it takes alot to waste the time of a man to whom time no longer matters.


Do not confuse the debatable capsuleer power with where is really located the law. CONCORD is the law here, not capsuleers. Unless, of course, you refer only to nullsec, where even here it might be debatable : there is no law in nullsec other than the one done by capsuleers, only because CONCORD wishes it so. And, by the way if I remember correctly, even nullsec capsuleer alliances have to eventually answer to CONCORD when it come to the establishment of their sovereignties.

In fact, every capsuleer action in space is closely watched and tied to CONCORD's law.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2011-10-08 12:06:07 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
you refer only to nullsec, where even here it might be debatable : there is no law in nullsec other than the one done by capsuleers, only because CONCORD wishes it so.


It certainly is debatable. I for one highly doubt that CONCORD has the resources to police all or even a fraction of the outer systems. Given that they were very nearly destroyed by a surprise attack three and a half years ago, I would, indeed, question whether they really have the resources to police all of hi-sec space.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#28 - 2011-10-08 18:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alistair Cononach
Merdaneth wrote:
You talk like a man who has lost his faith, has lost his friends and has lost any real purpose.

Trivialities are more important to a one for whom time no longer matters.


On the contrary, I wonder if my faith was ever truly held at all.

As for freinds, well, I only ever had a select few, and most of them care little for my personal theology views to be quite honest.

In any event, as we reamin bothers in arms, if not in soul, so you have plenty of time to reconvert me back to the flock, herd, whatever.

I still like you Merd.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Well well well. That's some plain and simple honesty I can respect. If CVA ever gets tired of you, look me up. I like the cut of your jib.


Serving the freedom loving Gallente, eh?

It has it's appeal to me in this day and age of my capsuleer life.

I think perhaps the REAAL Alistair is a libertarian at heart. Probably why I liked giving slaves back to my old U'K friends back in the day.

Maybe I'm just a softy, eh? A mass murderign softy, of course, but a softy none-the-less.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-10-08 18:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Alistair Cononach wrote:
Serving the freedom loving Gallente, eh?

It has it's appeal to me in this day and age of my capsuleer life.


A lot of Amarrians have upped sticks and emigrated to the Federation - crisis of faith or not, you'd hardly be the first. As long as you leave ideas of ethnic superiority, divine mandate or right to keep slaves at the door, you're welcome in our space whoever you happen to be or whatever you happen to believe.

If you were to take me up on my offer (not that I neccessarily expect you to - Mixed Metaphor is by its own admission hardly the most exciting corporation in Gallente space) you wouldn't even be the first Amarrian to work with us. Amarrians who've abandoned the dogmatic, supercilious illusions of racial and moral supremacy the Empire tends to foster in its citizens are welcome in Mixed Metaphor - in fact, you're significantly more welcome considering the fact that the presence of Amarrians in my corporation generally tends to irritate Imperial loyalists and god-botherers.

(It's the accusations of racism, you see - it becomes harder for them to play the race card legitimately. Ticks them off something dreadful)

Alistair Cononach wrote:
I think perhaps the REAAL Alistair is a libertarian at heart. Probably why I liked giving slaves back to my old U'K friends back in the day.


Releasing slaves gets you a lot of good points in my book. Having friends in Ushra'Khan doesn't hurt either.

Alistair Cononach wrote:
Maybe I'm just a softy, eh? A mass murderign softy, of course, but a softy none-the-less.


Any capsuleer that's done a level IV mission is a mass-murderer, techncially. You'd fit in just fine where we usually hang out, don't worry.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2011-10-09 02:32:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Amarrians who've abandoned the dogmatic, supercilious illusions of racial and moral supremacy the Empire tends to foster in its citizens are welcome in Mixed Metaphor - in fact, you're significantly more welcome considering the fact that the presence of Amarrians in my corporation generally tends to irritate Imperial loyalists and god-botherers.

(It's the accusations of racism, you see - it becomes harder for them to play the race card legitimately. Ticks them off something dreadful)

But who seriously accused you of racism? You're as much a racist as most Amarr are. It's not about race, neither in the Empire nor with the Federation - it's about claims of cultural supremacy and sense of mission. Both the Amarr and the Gallente cultures lack neither.
Still, both sides as well as the Matari like to play the racism card. The Caldari do it as well. Seemingly everyone does. Don't know why, but mostly people like to make accusations that are baseless, it seems.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Any capsuleer that's done a level IV mission is a mass-murderer, techncially. You'd fit in just fine where we usually hang out, don't worry.

There's a difference between a murderer, that is someone killing unlawfully at least one other human, and someone who kills while moving in the bounds of law without malicious aforethought, but contrarily with the intention to protect his society. As a capsuleer working for an agent handing out mission is usually sanctioned to use lethal force and therefore not a murderer and therefore not a mass-murderer either. Things arguably aren't the same for those capsuleers that work for criminal elements.

P.S.: I'm happy to see that you're still healthy and well enough for your usual drivel here on IGS. I'm not so happy you vent your boredom here, for both the reason that it's not really very entertaining and my honest wish that you'd have less boredom within your life. Believe me, there are ways to organize your life in such a way that it's less boring overall, Mr. Ixiris.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-10-09 03:59:38 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
But who seriously accused you of racism? You're as much a racist as most Amarr are.


No, I'm really not.

The True Amarr claim that among all the life-forms in all the universe in the vast span of its existence, they alone were chosen by a personification of the cosmos itself - likened unto them, of course - to rule all of it.

The Federation may have a high opinion of itself, but we're not quite as staggeringly arrogant as to quite literally claim that the universe revolves around us.

Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
It's not about race


It most certainly is - as most of anything Kithrus, Rodj Blake, Archbishop (note that Archbishop is, in fact, the most tragic example, as he is a member of a different race brainwashed into thinking this makes him inferior), Silas Vitalia and various other members of your faith make abundantly clear.

As usual, it brings me great mirth to see wheedling, dishonest apologists for the Amarrian religion such as yourself hamstrung by the words of their own allies.

neither in the Empire nor with the Federation - it's about claims of cultural supremacy and sense of mission. Both the Amarr and the Gallente cultures lack neither.
Still, both sides as well as the Matari like to play the racism card. The Caldari do it as well. Seemingly everyone does. Don't know why, but mostly people like to make accusations that are baseless, it seems.

Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
P.S.: I'm happy to see that you're still healthy and well enough for your usual drivel here on IGS. I'm not so happy you vent your boredom here, for both the reason that it's not really very entertaining and my honest wish that you'd have less boredom within your life. Believe me, there are ways to organize your life in such a way that it's less boring overall, Mr. Ixiris.


I'm not bored, and the general consensus is that if anyone spouts drivel, it's hand-wringing Amarrian sociopaths such as yourself.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2011-10-09 06:12:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Now, I understand that you're caught up in the different layers of meaning of the term 'Amarr', but really you're far off. See: The Amarrian superiority is based on fear of god and righteousness, not biological features like race. There is no claim of the Amarr to rule all of it - that's the Lord's domain.

And yes, contrary to your claims I met quite a few Gallenteans claiming and acting like the universe revolves around them. It's not at all an untypical attitude.

You can say as often as you want that it is about race - that doesn't make it true, nor does your inability to understand the subtilties of the positions of the people you stylize as arbiters of Amarr-hood or their inability to communicate them so that people outside of their cultural sphere can understand it fully - inabilities that are quite understandable on both sides. That aside, I'm the one deciding who my allies are - not you. (Remember: The universe isn't and neither am I and my allies revolving around you or conforming to your wishes.) And even if I'd accept all those as my allies their words are their own not the ones of Amarr. You'd be better off to refer to some sources there that have at least more authority to be the voice of Amarr.

And of curse you find racists among the Amarr - just as among the Gallente and about every race and ethnicity. Among the Amarr ethnicity those that follow the tenets of Sani Sabikism are quite frequently also flaming racists - and even though they're certainly not mysteriously transformed into some other race, every good Amarrian would agree that they aren't in God's good graces anymore. If nothing else for the reason that such an ardent racist not only does have no need of God, but outright discards Him in favor of his own attempts at usurpation of godhood.

As little as your repeated claim of racism does make the claim true does likewise a simple consensus not constitute truth, by the way. But don't let me mutter on about these matters of truth theory:

Against your assertion of not being bored, it seems to me that you're out of balance, if not bored, then maybe stressed out. And so severely, that I can't stay entirely quiet about it. I'm really worried for your well being and can't imagine that a place you perceive as filled with 'hand-wringing Amarrian sociopaths' is good for your blood pressure and general health. If you can't think of a better way to fill your free time, you might find professional help to be of assistance. It's nothing to be ashamed about, I had those times myself.

I hope you find your balance.
N. Mithra
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#33 - 2011-10-09 11:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Sadik
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
There is no claim of the Amarr to rule all of it
And these worlds I give to you, My Chosen,
So Amarr shall rule the worlds of the Heavens.

The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 3.19
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2011-10-09 20:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicoletta Mithra
Well, if the worlds of the Heavens are all you can think of, you've quite poor imagination, Cpt. Sadik.

Hint: "And these worlds I give to you." implies that there's someone else higher in the hierarchy who has the power to give and take these worlds...
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2011-10-10 09:15:44 UTC
The fact is that most Amarr elites think their superiority is tied to their race, due to a certain interpretation of that scriptural citations.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#36 - 2011-10-10 16:05:06 UTC
You're right on that, Paladin.
Superiority tied to race is still something else than superiority based on race, tough.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2011-10-10 21:24:19 UTC
My statement is also valid with "based on race".
Cage Shadownsun
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-10-10 23:29:55 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

In fact, every capsuleer action in space is closely watched and tied to CONCORD's law.


CONCORD. *laughs* If CONCORD were truly doing their job, why am I being hired out so frequently to pick up little messes of Mercenaries or Pirates here and there, and from Amarrian corporations (or houses, or whatever they like to call them) no less?

I mean, I'm glad they're not, it keeps me employed and my wallet full. But still.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#39 - 2011-10-11 02:17:26 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
My statement is also valid with "based on race".


Is it? I strongly doubt that. I think you'd have a hard time to validate your claim. But I don't think this is the place.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#40 - 2011-10-11 12:01:51 UTC
Wow.

Crow, you confuse me... you talk about how you help "illegally captured matari" find their way home (not until after calling me a terrorist, however. Remember that part?) and in the SAME breath, start talking about how "clergy and faithful are in danger in Tribal areas".

Wait for it...

Maybe, just MAYBE, anyone that thinks "Herp derp, ima open a church right here... yep, of the same faith that was used to legitimate the enslavement of all my neighbors, for like, 7 centuries!" needs to be held accountable for their own stupidity?

In short: Thanks for helping illegally taken slaves, though remember, in Minmatar reckoning, illegally taken is every single Matari slave you have.

Now stop using it to try to point out how mean and dangerous we are to your poor defenseless little missionaries, hmm?

Sometimes it is OK to have a gesture of kindness be just that... without little strings and "look how bad you are!" attached.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"