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There isn't. We've gone 17 pages and what was your last comment about? Shirts. We have gone 17 pages to precisely no-where.

The text proof you're looking for is in the preceding paragraph to his 'example' which I quoted. I'm not going to quote his entire reply nor do I want to nit pic it to death. He's entitled to voice his opinion about moderation. I merely showed how the moderator was justified in changing that thread title. Often times there's more to it than what meets the eye.

One can only surmise there's an ulterior motive for needlessly wasting time with this. The very first steps of a thread being trolled and going off-topic is when someone picks out one little sentence from an entire post, demands 'Proof' while saying the posting style is 'insulting'. The second step is somebody like me posting in defense.



Cutter is right. This topic has gone full circle and reached an impasse.

You keep harping and ranting about that one little mistake which has already been addressed. I can show 100 times more examples where moderation has been justified. Obviously you won't let that one incident go since it's fuel for flames.

Anyway, I've wasted enough time with this thread. I'm tired of seeing all the allegations being posted against CCP, ISD and the CCL by players feigning sincere intentions to help come up with a solution to insure that won't happen again.

If you don't put every post regarding game mechanics in the context of the game, then you're not reading the forums properly. I suspect that most players who fly in dangerous space with cloaks fully understood my meaning. Beyond that, the thread suggests that afk cloaking is botting, and I SAID SOMETHING ABOUT BOTTING, just after saying I was going afk. Frankly, I expect Eve players to be bright enough to catch that.

Nobody is a mind reader, but I do expect people to be able to think about what they read and apply context. The ISD didn't do that.

edit: and "federal case"? Really? I made a whopping TWO posts about it.

While that may be some posters agenda, I submit that its not the only thing that needs to be addressed.

I don't believe I have ever been moderated, or held accountable for any misdeeds here on the forums.

Overzealous moderation of other's posts has, however, has adversely affected me here. The usefulness of the forums to discuss important issues has been curtailed by premature closing of threads, deleting and snipping posts that, IMHO, didn't deserve to be snipped.

If it continues, it may drive serious discussion off of these forums.

I am not trying to pull CCL down or get anyone punished for the recent events, but there would seem to be room for improvement.

Can we please have a discussion about this? Why is dev, gm, and ISD posting to this thread, but studiously avoiding discussing changes to policy?

CCP & CCL Please reply to:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1552432#post1552432

Or other people's similar posts

Thank you

I suggest you re-examine what I said carefully. I am not trying to have the thread locked, nor am I attempting to squelch the conversation. I am merely pointing out that at the moment the conversation seems to have gotten stuck in a loop, thus it is not progressing, thus it is not really a discussion but merely a cyclical argument.

And as far as I can tell, and I have been keeping a very close eye on this thread as well as participating, no-one is trying to dismiss peoples concerns, it is just that now that we know what peoples concerns are, there is no need to constantly repeat them.

What we need is to draw up a concise list of issues that CCP and the ISD can assess and address, something we have so far failed to do because too many people are content with said cyclical argument.

I'm sorry but your statements seem to be conflicting and or uninformed. Either you're a naive new player or an alt of a banned character.

If players want a serious discussion about a specific aspect of Eve, they go to it's specific sub forum. Want some info about Agents or Exploration, go to Missions & Complexes sub-forum. Got questions about Trade, go to Market sub-forum. etc. Most of the people who frequent those sub-forums won't tolerate trolling and usually report it when it happens.

However, General Discussion has over the years turned into nothing more than a Mosh-Pit of hate and rage due to players not abiding by the forum rules. That has definitely driven away serious discussions. This sub-forum has been dubbed Troll Central for good reason. Ask various players in-game if they participate in the forums and most will say no. When asked why, they usually say because of the constant trolling.

First you say overzealous moderation has adversely affected you, that the usefulness of the forums to discuss serious topics has been curtailed by premature closing of threads, deleting and sniping posts that don't deserve it. Then you say you don't want to pull CCL down or punish anyone yet in another posted reply the very first thing you suggest is for CCP to consider giving someone their walking papers..

I'm sorry but this sounds like an alt of a banned character trying to silence or discredit those with opposing viewpoint..

Concerns of many others?

If there really was a major issue, this thread would have already become a mega thread-naught by now.

I gotta say in my 4 years of being an active member on these forums, this thread takes the cake. 1/2 dozen characters trying to force CCP into making concessions as to how the Forum Rules should be interpreted and how moderation should be conducted. Looking to gain control or extract revenge by constantly posting very debatable and easily dismissed fail examples of 'Unjustified Moderation'.


I came to this thread and posted my viewpoint to CCP, ISD and CCL which was immediately attacked by other players. I don't want to stay in this thread so now I ask everyone, please stop directing replies towards me so I can stay away from this thread.

If CLL wants further input here is I suggest cleaning up the thread and subsummizing the best poster statements in a Q & A style at the beginning of the thread (as noneone wants to read 17 pages before posting here).
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No promises here, but i will discuss this with them Daltzi.

Finally! Its good to see CCP stand up for civility and decency on their forums.

I have ignored no-one, in fact I have been paying close attention to those people who are making suggestions for changes. The people I tend to end up dismissing are those who just keep reiterating what the initial problem was. If you care to take a look at some of my other posts elsewhere on the forums, you would see that I had actually held Ruby up as an example of someone who had gone from empty ranting, to contributing.

You may also note the suggestion I made in that post of mine you quoted, where I pointed out that what we need people to do now is make a distinct list of their grievances along with possible changes to address those grievances. How can you or anyone else expect CCP or the ISD to comment in here, when there is still nothing concrete for them to work from?