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Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-07-02 22:04:50 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Xython wrote:
I'm eagerly awaiting Jade Constantine's frothy rant in here about how this is all a Goon conspiracy.


Whilst its probably not actually a goonspiracy (on this occasion) it is a situation that may well come about due to a horribly-rushed set of changes to the 1.0 wardec mechanics (due in part) to the complaining of large alliances getting (either "dogpiled" or "suffering from social consequence") depending on which side of the issue you are on.

For the record, I've not personally seen this bug (if it does indeed exist) because the cost of allowing allies into our existing war is the entirely valid and developer-intended princely sum of 10 Trillion ISK

Confirmed as working as intended.


We keep asking for evidence of this so-called "complaining of large alliances" but you keep not showing it at all. Why is that?


I refuse to show you anything because I am a giant Jade Constantine.


Here lapine, I threw his post through babelfish for you.
Sir Marksalot
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-07-02 22:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Vxrasa wrote:

You're like the -snip- kid in fourth grade who just doesn't quite get that every time you open your mouth, the entire class laughs at you.


At first, I thought to myself "Why are we blue to EXE?".

Now I know why.

This post was edited to remove an offensive term from the quote.

ISD Tyrozan
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#43 - 2012-07-02 22:18:41 UTC
Sir Marksalot wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Xython wrote:
I'm eagerly awaiting Jade Constantine's frothy rant in here about how this is all a Goon conspiracy.


Whilst its probably not actually a goonspiracy (on this occasion) it is a situation that may well come about due to a horribly-rushed set of changes to the 1.0 wardec mechanics (due in part) to the complaining of large alliances getting (either "dogpiled" or "suffering from social consequence") depending on which side of the issue you are on.

For the record, I've not personally seen this bug (if it does indeed exist) because the cost of allowing allies into our existing war is the entirely valid and developer-intended princely sum of 10 Trillion ISK

Confirmed as working as intended.


We keep asking for evidence of this so-called "complaining of large alliances" but you keep not showing it at all. Why is that?


I refuse to show you anything because I am a giant Jade Constantine.


Here lapine, I threw his post through babelfish for you.


Thanks for that. Now it makes more sense.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2012-07-02 22:44:43 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
We keep asking for evidence of this so-called "complaining of large alliances" but you keep not showing it at all. Why is that?


Jester's Trek wrote:
I'm not sure I agree with the conclusions in this forum post:
http://www.lostineve.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93

They strike me as pretty alarmist. But remember the conspiracy theory about how the war-dec allies system was "really" being nerfed to benefit large null-sec alliances at the expense of smaller high-sec corps who were supposed to be griefed by them? Listen to the pod-cast this forum post points you toward and you get an unlikely source of evidence: CSM member Two step.

Does Two step really say the things that this forum post says he does? In my opinion... no. But it's an interesting listen nonetheless, and worth your time if you're following this topic. The relevant section of the pod-cast starts 45 minutes in, so download the MP3.


That's from Jester's blog: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/june-junk-drawer.html

Make of it what you will, but at least listen to the recording where Two Step leaks the implications that the CSM was pressuring CCP to change the wardec mechanics so that hisec alliances wouldn't end up dog piling on wardecs started by null sec blocs. Of course the words are open to interpretation.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#45 - 2012-07-02 23:00:50 UTC
None ofthe Above wrote:
This code wasn't rushed at all, was it?


That information will cost you 40 trillion ISK.

C'mon that 10 trillion isk is just a arbitrary number set until CCP could decide what is fair or for a number they like more. You guys are just taking it too personaly. Remember incursion? Most likely this number will go down, as well as a new factor introduced to keep it fair. Like a wait for each new ally. That arbitrary number will most likely be 5 years between allys added during a war.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#46 - 2012-07-02 23:11:41 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Ten ******* trillion isk. o_O


I don't see a decimal point on that screenshot, dear Mr. CCP whoeveryouare.


*free bump because deserved*


Heheheh, no wonder EVE is so full of bugs if "Quality Assurance" is in denial all the time. Denial is a natural defense mechanism, it's wired into the human brain. Anyone walking into a parking lot where their car has been stolen will not believe it and choose rather to look in places they are sure they didn't park, before accepting it has been stolen. The first word people say when informed of the death of a loved one is "No!".

You'd think that people who are paid to find and report problems would be able to work past this, keep an open mind, and concentrate on their jobs. Denial really helps no one.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#47 - 2012-07-02 23:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Lapine Davion
Mara Rinn wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
We keep asking for evidence of this so-called "complaining of large alliances" but you keep not showing it at all. Why is that?


Jester's Trek wrote:
I'm not sure I agree with the conclusions in this forum post:
http://www.lostineve.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=93

They strike me as pretty alarmist. But remember the conspiracy theory about how the war-dec allies system was "really" being nerfed to benefit large null-sec alliances at the expense of smaller high-sec corps who were supposed to be griefed by them? Listen to the pod-cast this forum post points you toward and you get an unlikely source of evidence: CSM member Two step.

Does Two step really say the things that this forum post says he does? In my opinion... no. But it's an interesting listen nonetheless, and worth your time if you're following this topic. The relevant section of the pod-cast starts 45 minutes in, so download the MP3.


That's from Jester's blog: http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/june-junk-drawer.html

Make of it what you will, but at least listen to the recording where Two Step leaks the implications that the CSM was pressuring CCP to change the wardec mechanics so that hisec alliances wouldn't end up dog piling on wardecs started by null sec blocs. Of course the words are open to interpretation.


Remind me of the part where Two Step runs a nullsec alliance. Or is involved in null in any way besides have some friends there.

So basically Jade is basing his arguments of "crying nullsec alliances" based off the words of a person who isn't involved with nullsec at all, and in fact is a wormhole dweller.

Edit: So we still have yet to see evidence of "large nullsec alliances" crying to CCP to change anything.

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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#48 - 2012-07-02 23:35:09 UTC
^ At least they are not gloating as well too.

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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#49 - 2012-07-02 23:36:52 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
Solstice Project wrote:
Ten ******* trillion isk. o_O


I don't see a decimal point on that screenshot, dear Mr. CCP whoeveryouare.


*free bump because deserved*


Heheheh, no wonder EVE is so full of bugs if "Quality Assurance" is in denial all the time. Denial is a natural defense mechanism, it's wired into the human brain. Anyone walking into a parking lot where their car has been stolen will not believe it and choose rather to look in places they are sure they didn't park, before accepting it has been stolen. The first word people say when informed of the death of a loved one is "No!".

You'd think that people who are paid to find and report problems would be able to work past this, keep an open mind, and concentrate on their jobs. Denial really helps no one.


ITT EVE-O posters show they have no sense of humor.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Pipa Porto
#50 - 2012-07-02 23:44:03 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

ITT EVE-O posters show they have no sense of humor.


IAT Have the ever?

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GSXRSquid
Sarum Prime Innovations
#51 - 2012-07-02 23:48:07 UTC
Speaker4 theDead wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
There is no 10 trillion ISK cost, you missed the decimal point in place.


Wait...CCP has a "Quality Assurance Team" ????? Oops


There's a job to have....I could just set an autoresponder to say "The logs show nothing" or "Your reading it wrong".......Cool




don't forget game mechanics and the session change had started
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2012-07-02 23:52:18 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Your heroic forum poster "lord zim" has already tried and failed that line many times. Go and read the other thread on the subject where plenty of information is provided including podcast where your favoured CSM talks about 1.0 is "unfair" to large alliances and pledges to get it "fixed" (presumably so the largest alliances in Eve are no longer disadvantaged by the social consequences of their unpopularity in hisec).

This is the csm that is deemed our favored csm because he got the second most votes and we said that meant he should probably be chair, right? Just want to get my tinfoil jade theories right.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-07-03 02:08:12 UTC
High sec wars are so cute.

"Will you please have a war with me?"

[ ] Yes [ ] No

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Pipa Porto
#54 - 2012-07-03 02:11:05 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
High sec wars are so cute.

"Will you please have a war with me?"

[ ] Yes [ ] No


You forgot

[ ] Why do you Keep picking on meeeeeeeee Cry

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
#55 - 2012-07-03 05:41:34 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
High sec wars are so cute.

"Will you please have a war with me?"

[ ] Yes [ ] No




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5wOoWJ7MMg&feature=fvwrel

came to mind dispite all efforts againts

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CCP Paradox
#56 - 2012-07-03 10:27:08 UTC
I derped because I didn't know you were referencing Jade's war specifically. If I knew that, I would have just said that this is working as intended.

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Space Magician
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-07-03 10:50:49 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
I derped because I didn't know you were referencing Jade's war specifically. If I knew that, I would have just said that this is working as intended.


Wait, what ??

It's not ??

OH MY GOON !!!
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#58 - 2012-07-03 10:57:44 UTC
CCP Paradox wrote:
I derped because I didn't know you were referencing Jade's war specifically. If I knew that, I would have just said that this is working as intended.


Shocked

I mean, Shocked Wut?

And here I was thinking CCP wanted to see more wars, gosh how stupid of me.
Gustav Knuttsen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2012-07-03 11:07:19 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
CCP Paradox wrote:
There is no 10 trillion ISK cost, you missed the decimal point in place.

Thanks for completely brushing off a real bug that actually exists because you don't think its there. Real professional.


HAhaha !!!
CCP Paradox
#60 - 2012-07-03 11:12:38 UTC
As per our dev blog...
Ally #1 – Free!
Ally #2 – 10 million
Ally #3 – 20 million
Ally #4 – 40 million
Ally #5 – 80 million
and so on…I believe Tuxford actually capped the total cost (the cost you are seeing).

And Pak, we do want to see more wars, but more meaningful and engaging wars than just a war that was advertising "free war" dec's against major alliances. This way, the allies you choose to hire will have a meaningful contribution to the war, as you've strategically selected one above the other.

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