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[PROPOSAL] Remove michael boltonIII from commentating on the AT
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CracatusMilo
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-07-02 13:13:18 UTC
I support this petition - MB3 was all over the place and i really wanted to mute but was interested in what the other commentator was doing.

I really, really really, don't want to watch someone talk about themselves in my free time.
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-07-02 13:16:23 UTC  |  Edited by: ry ry
AlleyKat wrote:
counter-proposal: hit the mute button if you don't like someone talking...

AK


countercounterpoint: the other commentator is fine, so manually editing him out of the stream would also involve mashing the mute button and sticking a postit note over his ridiculous face.

This situation is far from ideal, and i think the most sensible way to resolve it it to go back in time and feed MB3's mother gin...

rr
RuriHoshino
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#23 - 2012-07-02 14:44:03 UTC
ry ry wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
counter-proposal: hit the mute button if you don't like someone talking...

AK


countercounterpoint: the other commentator is fine, so manually editing him out of the stream would also involve mashing the mute button and sticking a postit note over his ridiculous face.

This situation is far from ideal, and i think the most sensible way to resolve it it to go back in time and feed MB3's mother gin...

rr


Implying that this hasn't happened already.

Honestly CCP, we understand that the Alliance Tournament is more to do with bringing in new or lapsed players than giving a couple of alliances annual e-peen bragging rights, but MB3's "commentary" has been flat-out painful and does a disservice to both AT audiences and the game itself.

We all deserve better than Michael Bolton III. I can't believe that there wasn't another person who applied to be a commentator who wouldn't be leagues better than what we're getting from this guy.
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2012-07-02 15:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lazarus Telraven
Bacchanalian wrote:
Snake O'Connor wrote:
The fact that in one of the matches he said that the Bhaalgorn was a flagship shows how ignorant to the tournament format he actually is being that flagships cannot even be fielded in the pre-qualifiers.


Let's not overlook the fact that the team who fielded said Bhaalgorn doesn't even have a Bhaalgorn listed as their flagship.

Let's be fair, his partner hasn't been brilliant either ("hurr if they're HAM drakes they'll hit out to 35 except that HAMs barely scratch 20on a Drake"), but he's at least talking about the matches and what's going on in them rather than his molesterstache.

His performance is forced at best, at worst a mockery. He was bad last year, but is just cringeworthy this year as sometime between now and then he's decided he needs to be an eve-celebrity and let it go to his head.



the HAM drake comment was incorrect when i mentioned the HAMs i had the HAM range of Tengus in my head which is actually 30.5km with max skills ( i looked it up after the tourney was over) But yeah, i am open to any criticism this is my first year as a commentator and i want to give you guys the best i can give by the time the 12mans start up so i really want to get the kinks worked out in the Prelims.

But over-all so far i havent heard /very many/ bad things about my commentating, and again criticism is expected/welcomed
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-07-02 16:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: ry ry
Lazarus Telraven wrote:
Bacchanalian wrote:
Snake O'Connor wrote:
The fact that in one of the matches he said that the Bhaalgorn was a flagship shows how ignorant to the tournament format he actually is being that flagships cannot even be fielded in the pre-qualifiers.


Let's not overlook the fact that the team who fielded said Bhaalgorn doesn't even have a Bhaalgorn listed as their flagship.

Let's be fair, his partner hasn't been brilliant either ("hurr if they're HAM drakes they'll hit out to 35 except that HAMs barely scratch 20on a Drake"), but he's at least talking about the matches and what's going on in them rather than his molesterstache.

His performance is forced at best, at worst a mockery. He was bad last year, but is just cringeworthy this year as sometime between now and then he's decided he needs to be an eve-celebrity and let it go to his head.



the HAM drake comment was incorrect when i mentioned the HAMs i had the HAM range of Tengus in my head which is actually 30.5km with max skills ( i looked it up after the tourney was over) But yeah, i am open to any criticism this is my first year as a commentator and i want to give you guys the best i can give by the time the 12mans start up so i really want to get the kinks worked out in the Prelims.

But over-all so far i havent heard /very many/ bad things about my commentating, and again criticism is expected/welcomed

the unspoken subtext here is that you completely agree MB3 should be off the commentary team.

thankyou for your support.
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-07-02 16:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ry ry
MBOLT 3:

I know you're reading this.

Collectively fearless(dot) have found themselves in a pickle. We've spent our entire AT fund already and can't afford spaceships for the second weekend. For 10 billion isk i can guarantee Fearless(dot)'s unflinching support of your quirky commentary, including the editing of posts in this thread which may previously have contained negative sentiment, to appropriately reflect the amount of goodwill such a gift would inspire.

A meagre sum to help secure your holiday to Iceland.

Think about it meight. isk to 'ry ry'
Krukk Vuld
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-07-02 16:29:27 UTC
Lazarus Telraven wrote:

the HAM drake comment was incorrect when i mentioned the HAMs i had the HAM range of Tengus in my head which is actually 30.5km with max skills ( i looked it up after the tourney was over) But yeah, i am open to any criticism this is my first year as a commentator and i want to give you guys the best i can give by the time the 12mans start up so i really want to get the kinks worked out in the Prelims.

But over-all so far i havent heard /very many/ bad things about my commentating, and again criticism is expected/welcomed


At least your commentary is pertaining to the matches and the action which is going on. MB3 is constantly making mistakes, or not paying attention to what is going on and seems more interested in sounding like he's actually relevant when we just want to hear someone who can comment, constructively, on the match and what is actually occurring.
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-02 18:00:11 UTC
Joke commentator for a joke tournament. What is wrong with that?
Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-02 18:40:40 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Joke commentator for a joke tournament. What is wrong with that?
+1

If MB3 continues in his present capacity for the rest of ATX then I'm out. I don't want to hear his voice and I don't want to see his face. He is negatively affecting the tournament both in form and substance. There is no possible tournament matchup that will overcome my decision to not tune in as long as MB3 remains on the team.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#30 - 2012-07-02 19:00:11 UTC
Meh, I don't see what all the rage is about. He might not be a stellar orator, but he doesn't really seem that bad.

A couple things to point out. First off, those "So, what do you think about their setup?" comments don't seem to be a lack of knowledge, they seem to be attempting to generate interesting dialog while the ships on the field are busy just grinding each other down. It's kinda boring to just say "well, the match is over really, now it's just mopup" and then sit there silently watching them take out one ship after another for 5 min.

Second, not knowing that flagships weren't allowed in prelims isn't that surprising. IIRC they haven't broadcast prelims yet, so it's not surprising that the commentators don't have every rule minimized. Seeing a Bhal on field and guessing that it might be the flagship isn't a bad guess, especially when about 4/5 of the flagships seem to be Bhals. However, once he was notified that he was wrong, he corrected himself. Commentators aren't perfect, everyone makes mistakes at times.

I'm more or less indifferent on the matter, I don't know the guy at all. But commenting on something like this is much harder than people give these guys credit for, I doubt that 90% of the naysayers could do any better. Trying to keep up a constant stream of dialog on camera for thousands of people at once and have everything come out perfect is impossible, so why not cut the commentators some slack and be a bit understanding.
Ben Booley
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#31 - 2012-07-02 19:18:57 UTC
mxzf wrote:

Second, not knowing that flagships weren't allowed in prelims isn't that surprising. IIRC they haven't broadcast prelims yet, so it's not surprising that the commentators don't have every rule minimized. Seeing a Bhal on field and guessing that it might be the flagship isn't a bad guess, especially when about 4/5 of the flagships seem to be Bhals. However, once he was notified that he was wrong, he corrected himself. Commentators aren't perfect, everyone makes mistakes at times.


You're right, it's not surprising that he didn't read the rules. It's not like he's supposed to be doing commentary for the match or anything? Go watch sports on TV, the commentators for that have at least a general idea of the rules.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#32 - 2012-07-02 19:26:24 UTC
Ben Booley wrote:
You're right, it's not surprising that he didn't read the rules. It's not like he's supposed to be doing commentary for the match or anything? Go watch sports on TV, the commentators for that have at least a general idea of the rules.


Um ... last I checked "a general idea of the rules" and "knowing every single in and out of the rules" aren't the same thing. Missing one detail of one section of the rules, something that the commentators didn't have to worry about last year since there was no commentating on the pre-qualifying rounds, really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.
Krukk Vuld
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-07-02 19:45:15 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Um ... last I checked "a general idea of the rules" and "knowing every single in and out of the rules" aren't the same thing. Missing one detail of one section of the rules, something that the commentators didn't have to worry about last year since there was no commentating on the pre-qualifying rounds, really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.


I'd have gotten a clearer version of commentary if MB3 wasn't constantly adding something when the other commentator starts talking.
Ben Booley
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#34 - 2012-07-02 19:53:48 UTC
mxzf wrote:
Ben Booley wrote:
You're right, it's not surprising that he didn't read the rules. It's not like he's supposed to be doing commentary for the match or anything? Go watch sports on TV, the commentators for that have at least a general idea of the rules.


Um ... last I checked "a general idea of the rules" and "knowing every single in and out of the rules" aren't the same thing. Missing one detail of one section of the rules, something that the commentators didn't have to worry about last year since there was no commentating on the pre-qualifying rounds, really isn't as big a deal as you make it out to be.


Knowing what ships can be fielded when is a pretty general idea of the rules.
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-07-02 19:59:12 UTC
I would encourage any player who would like to give commentating a shot to do so. There are several groups running alternative commentary, and several people doing their own commentary of matches that are up on youtube. There are many excellent tools to do a simultaneous broadcast, either thru own3d.tv or thru a shoutcast style radio stream. The more the community is involved the better the overall tournament will be for all involved. If people are interested in the details for setting it up, feel free to eve-mail me and I can help you get everything you need working.

As for my performance on Sunday, I was similarly displeased with my cast, although I might not have used some of the harsher terms that some have used in this thread. The cast from home was significantly more difficult than I had predicted, I had several technical difficulties, and all of my practice for the tournament and experience from other games involved me casting with my co-casters next to me and someone else operating the camera. For a more detailed description, I would point people to my post on the AT forum, which I will shamelessly C&P here for your convenience:

Quote:
The viewer has the advantage of being able to see all the wonderful new effects and team sorting on the stream interface thanks to the great work from the guys at the EVETV production team, CCP Veritas, and The AT team.

The commentators have the client and delayed version of the stream that is about 5 seconds behind. I also found that for some reason my stream was even further behind than this, like 20 seconds or something, likely due to my computer being made of wood. With only the client available, I was pretty flustered as I had practiced to cast from the overlay and during last years commentary I had never used the caster client computer. Other than that I had a match where I lost all my locks save for 2, and that wasn't fun at all.

I've gone over the videos of my cast for today and I have a list of things that I need to work on. I recognize that today wasn't exactly an all-star performance, but I hope that people will be a little patient with us. Aside from kil2, none of us have ever cast from home or cast these 6 man teams, so we are still getting comfortable.


In the past, if a caster has proved to be consistently less skilled than expected, they are benched from commentary during at least the finals weekend and only utilized in the "couch" segments. I hope that this does not happen to myself or any of the other commentators, but we all want to see the tournament be the best possible production it can be.

We are still getting the hang of this home casting setup and the feel of the 6-man matches. Also, we are using the qualifiers as a good opportunity to test out the proper ratio of color vs commentary, and how polarized each of the commentators should be in their specialties. I hope that we can provide the viewers with the best show possible as we all get back into tournament mode, but if you have ~constructive~ criticism for us I am fairly certain that all of us would appreciate it.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-07-02 21:06:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Snake O'Connor wrote:
So it is ok to talk out of your ass as long as it's well articulated?

Sweet. Next year we should have celebrity guest commentators like Barak Obama and Mitt Romney, since the only thing that matter is how well you can speak, not what you actually say. Honestly though, I think that comment is unfair to the politicians, because at least they do some minimal amount of research before they speak which is a lot more than I can say for MB3.


Obama commentary for ATXi, would probably be a good thing. I am not saying bolton is a commentator I pay attention to, but the aforementioned gal did make the other commentators seem alot better. For the comment of giving commentary a shot, I fully intend to. I applied and got interviewed this year, but a brain short I had threw me off in begining, I think cost me alot. Next year I will re-apply, and be even better!

Constructive commentary for bolton, Just try to inject more energy into your commentary! The only real complaint I ever have and hear most often on the forums is that when the match gets going, You fall into a sort of single tone sometimes.

ENERGY MAN, GET PSYCHED ABOUT THE FIGHT!

Clear any preconceived notions about who wins and always be on preparation for that unusual turn of events or imagine it. Even if it doesn't happen, having that adrenalin prepped up expecting some interesting fight will show to the audience.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Shirazz
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-07-02 22:45:23 UTC
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Davey Dent
Task Force Zener
#38 - 2012-07-02 23:18:58 UTC
Got to agree.

I know commentators can make mistakes and we can forgive that, but this guy does not have a clue, get rid of him!
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#39 - 2012-07-03 00:05:36 UTC
Supported if MB3's performance next weekend is as bad as the first.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.
Zastrow
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-07-03 02:06:50 UTC
yo next weekend is going to own. The commentary team worked out the kinks on this first weekend, and now we're IN THE ZONE. If the tournament is a pretty lady we're going to be running a train on her this weekend