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Possible balanced solution to *excessive* suicide ganking

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CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#81 - 2011-10-08 17:52:42 UTC
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#82 - 2011-10-08 17:59:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

Try reading my original post: "Insurance" for deliberately suicided ships makes no sense, but it's a gameplay necessity caused by an inescapable CONCORD. Make CONCORD evadeable and you can reasonably get rid of insurance for "criminals".


Insurance is insurance and being concorded is being concorded. Two completely and unrelated things. Don't tie them together to bolster an argument.

You get concorded if you break the rules. Working as intended.

You get ship reimbursed for any ship loss. period.

If you are not breaking the rules and you lose a ship you get your ship reimbursed.

If you happen to be breaking the rules when you lose your ship, you get concorded and then I guess they feel bad about what they did so you get your ship back.

So what insurance does is give newish players flying T1 ships the false impression that they can have risk free PVP in this game as a loss is negated by insurance. Big surprise then when they toss away their first T2 hull and have to learn the game all over again. Not so good.

Couple that the risk free ganking at the other end and insurance makes no sense for anyone.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#83 - 2011-10-08 18:04:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
Insurance is insurance and being concorded is being concorded. Two completely and unrelated things.
They're not unrelated since CONCORD is a cause for ship loss and since insurance is a mechanic meant to encourage ship losses by reducing the cost of the loss.

If CONCORD did not cause 100% certain losses, there wouldn't be the same need to encourage people to shoot stuff by reducing costs, simply because there wouldn't be any costs to reduce (or, rather, the costs would be inherently lower).
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#84 - 2011-10-08 19:53:41 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Hey y'all. Easy fixed.

If Concord is called in, an attendance fee is charged to the ganker/s account and the gankee get's the cash.

THAT would make ganking fun, for BOTH parties.

This is the best idea in the thread, and a proper solution to suicide ganking.

Really, why should CONCORD work for free? A service provided should cost, and thus the one who makes use of their services should pay some ISK.

Perhaps something like 50m each time CONCORD gets summoned to protect you? Or we might base it off SP.


Why would the ganker pay CONCORD to kill him? CONCORD should charge the guy they protect.

Read more carefully.

Nyan
Doddy
Excidium.
#85 - 2011-10-09 18:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Doddy
Nephilius wrote:
Zenith Intaki wrote:
Just make it so that outlaws can't activate any gates inside high sec and make concord spawn and pod outlaws.

There is no reason why outlaws can travel through lowsec in pod or in fast aligning ship.

I don't have any problem with suicide ganking when ganker has positive sec status. But being able to do continous ganks without any real penalty is just bad for the game.


This is what needs to happen. If your sec status is too low for a hisec system, you simply cannot enter that system. You wanna go in, work your secstat back up. It won't stop suicide ganking, but it'll make it where they have a consequence for doing it too often.

Personally, positive secstat should go to 10, I never understood why it only goes to +5.


It doesn't stop at 5, ccp just wisely decided rewarding people with sec for grinding npcs way below their capabilities is stupid. So above 5.0 you only get sec boosts for killing officers/faction bs spawns in 0.0 as that is where someone with 5.0 sec should be.

(yes i know the concord mission thing, that is a one off)
Doddy
Excidium.
#86 - 2011-10-09 18:35:40 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Hey y'all. Easy fixed.

If Concord is called in, an attendance fee is charged to the ganker/s account and the gankee get's the cash.

THAT would make ganking fun, for BOTH parties.

This is the best idea in the thread, and a proper solution to suicide ganking.

Really, why should CONCORD work for free? A service provided should cost, and thus the one who makes use of their services should pay some ISK.

Perhaps something like 50m each time CONCORD gets summoned to protect you? Or we might base it off SP.


Why would the ganker pay CONCORD to kill him? CONCORD should charge the guy they protect.

Read more carefully.


You need to read what you quoted more carefully.
Avalon Stormborn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2011-10-09 18:39:07 UTC
Yeah I agree on this issue, if CONCORD busts you, you get no insurance payout. Makes sense in my head.
Llanthas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2011-10-15 07:00:59 UTC
Digging up an old thread because it should NOT BE IGNORED.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#89 - 2011-10-15 13:03:48 UTC
Llanthas wrote:
Digging up an old thread because it should NOT BE IGNORED.


Quoting a pubbie that should BE IGNORED.
Llanthas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2011-10-15 15:56:14 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Llanthas wrote:
Digging up an old thread because it should NOT BE IGNORED.


Quoting a pubbie that should BE IGNORED.



The troll has spoken. We must obey.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#91 - 2011-10-15 18:23:18 UTC
Llanthas wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Llanthas wrote:
Digging up an old thread because it should NOT BE IGNORED.


Quoting a pubbie that should BE IGNORED.



The troll has spoken. We must obey.
You seem rather angry, may I suggest some time away from the game or maybe even the PC.
It may help your anger issues. Because atm, your coming across like some foot stomping 9 year old.

Just saying.

Kind regards

Mag's Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Llanthas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#92 - 2011-10-15 18:27:42 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Llanthas wrote:
XXSketchxx wrote:
Llanthas wrote:
Digging up an old thread because it should NOT BE IGNORED.


Quoting a pubbie that should BE IGNORED.



The troll has spoken. We must obey.
You seem rather angry, may I suggest some time away from the game or maybe even the PC.
It may help your anger issues. Because atm, your coming across like some foot stomping 9 year old.

Just saying.

Kind regards

Mag's Big smile


I'm a little frustrated, yeah. Griefing annoys me in a game that I'm paying to play. I love Eve, don't love that it gives a 12 year old the power to f*ck up my day for no reason.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#93 - 2011-10-15 18:38:24 UTC
Llanthas wrote:
I'm a little frustrated, yeah. Griefing annoys me in a game that I'm paying to play.
You'll be happy to know, then, that griefing is a bannable offence in EVE.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#94 - 2011-10-15 22:43:32 UTC
Llanthas wrote:
I'm a little frustrated, yeah. Griefing annoys me in a game that I'm paying to play. I love Eve, don't love that it gives a 12 year old the power to f*ck up my day for no reason.


If you don't like to be "griefed" (what you really mean by that is being subjected to non-consensual pvp), then why did you subscribe to a game that advertises the feature as a main attraction? It's not as if EVE was nice and quiet years ago, and the caveman boors only recently discovered that other players can be engaged, as if they've discovered fire.

The ability to screw up someone's day is EVE's heart and soul. The developers have clearly stated that this aspect is intended, and encouraged. So why are you complaining about subscribing to a service that's so clearly divergent from your own needs and wants? No one forced you to purchase the sub.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#95 - 2011-10-16 01:45:43 UTC
Llanthas wrote:

I'm a little frustrated, yeah. Griefing annoys me in a game that I'm paying to play. I love Eve, don't love that it gives a 12 year old the power to f*ck up my day for no reason.


I'm in my 20s and I still love f*cking up peoples days. Though I do it for a reason: tears like these.

Btw is this your main?
Llanthas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#96 - 2011-10-16 05:07:38 UTC
XXSketchxx wrote:
Llanthas wrote:

I'm a little frustrated, yeah. Griefing annoys me in a game that I'm paying to play. I love Eve, don't love that it gives a 12 year old the power to f*ck up my day for no reason.


I'm in my 20s and I still love f*cking up peoples days. Though I do it for a reason: tears like these.

Btw is this your main?


I wouldn't be proud of that, but I guess we all need a purpose. Sure. this is my main and only character. Come n' get me boy-o.
Llanthas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2011-10-18 02:18:18 UTC
Nothing.. imagine that.

Children must be put in their place at times, I suppose.