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Low/Null sec Ratting with a SB
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Kisogo Magellin
Kostura RnD
#1 - 2012-07-02 03:59:18 UTC
Bombers look like fun, and pretty cheap too- ~30m to buy/fit one

What I'm looking to do is rat in low/null security space. How effective would this be? I'll be doing this solo, most likely using a Nemesis or Manticore.

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KaraflasXAM
Alogaki
#2 - 2012-07-02 12:22:57 UTC
My thoughts:

(a) Frigs and cruisers are going to be a problem.
(b) One good shot from a BS group and you are in armor or worse....
(c) Bombs are too expensive to use for ratting

I suggest you use a frig to make multiple bookmarks in the various areas you are thinking of using and then picking up a cheap cruiser.

Or head down to Delve, load your SB with bombs and get on a crap load of kill mails Smile {Don't forget the Salvager} Pirate
Marcus Ichiro
IchiCorp
#3 - 2012-07-02 12:46:04 UTC
Ratting in a bomber is fine, and extremely common. Just kill 1 BS rat and then move on to another system.

KaraflasXAM wrote:
(c) Bombs are too expensive to use for ratting


You don't use bombs to rat, you use torpedos.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-02 12:49:55 UTC
KaraflasXAM wrote:
My thoughts:

(a) Frigs and cruisers are going to be a problem.
(b) One good shot from a BS group and you are in armor or worse....
(c) Bombs are too expensive to use for ratting

I suggest you use a frig to make multiple bookmarks in the various areas you are thinking of using and then picking up a cheap cruiser.

Or head down to Delve, load your SB with bombs and get on a crap load of kill mails Smile {Don't forget the Salvager} Pirate


None of these applies. These are rats, not players.
a) Frig rats are slow, you can usually pop the BS/BC rats before they get close.
b) BS rats almost never tracks you.
c) You rat with torps, not bombs.

Your SB SP happen to be in Nemesis/manticore, and Serpentis rats happens to be the easiest to rat with SB. I used to rat them out of TEST space. Keep distance and hit them with torps, easy as pie. Angel rats, not so much.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2012-07-02 13:47:31 UTC
Actually, I never had issue ratting in Angel space in a SB.

But as the other posters said, it's completely doable. Just be careful of the frigs and destroyers (especially elite ones).

As to a fit, the general template for nullsec ratting in a SB is:
3x Torps (typically Arbalast)
Cloak
Salvager

AB
MSE
TP
(other mid if you're flying Nemesis/Manti)

MAPC (to fit the MSE)
BCS2
(second BCS2 if you're in a Hound/Purifier)

Personally, I vastly prefer the Hound/Purifier due to the fact that they can fit a second BCS in their third low for more DPS. However, any of them will work as long as you fly smart.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-02 14:01:10 UTC
Pick the right ship for the right rat. Manti (kin dmg) for guristas/serp for example. It only takes a couple of days to get frig 5 and theyre never waisted skill points if you get bored of SB's.

[Manticore, Ratting-Gurista]
Ballistic Control System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Target Painter II
Target Painter II
1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I

Kill the frigs/dest/crui first whilst orbiting the big stuf. Id just skip a spawn with T2 frigs

No Worries
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#7 - 2012-07-02 15:10:51 UTC
Kisogo Magellin wrote:
Bombers look like fun, and pretty cheap too- ~30m to buy/fit one

What I'm looking to do is rat in low/null security space. How effective would this be? I'll be doing this solo, most likely using a Nemesis or Manticore.


I can say from personal experience that a Manticore works great for ratting Guristas 0.0 spawns.

From memory, I fitted mine something like:

3x T2 Seige launchers, Covops cloak
Domi 1 MN AB, Small meta 4 shield booster, PWNAGE, Dread Guristas kinetic resist amp
2x ballistic control II

ACR rig
Polycarb rig

Basically as long as you have the Afterburner running, the BS rats won't so much as scratch your paint, and the cruisers won't do much better. Meanwhile you'll kill BS in 5-7 volleys, BCs in 2. I found that the only real threat was from the destroyers. Warp into belt at 30Km or so from the belt marker, don't uncloak unless the spawn is worth while, and then just burn towards a convenient align point while torping the rat BS.

Use CN Torps; Bombers are very ammo-efficient, and the extra DPS is well worthwhile. A few hundred will last you for a couple of hours of ratting.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dressy
Horizon Blue Industries
#8 - 2012-09-18 12:03:39 UTC
Over recent days, I have been ratting in syndicate in my Nemesis. The biggest trouble is the frigs and destroyers, though once they mwd there're toast. I haven't been using the MSE though...

My torp and covops skills are only just lvl 4 atm. Hoping once I double the dps with t2 launchers and a couple of implants (aiming for 600 dps) it will become really quick and easy.
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
#9 - 2012-09-18 12:41:28 UTC
Dressy wrote:
Over recent days, I have been ratting in syndicate in my Nemesis. The biggest trouble is the frigs and destroyers, though once they mwd there're toast. I haven't been using the MSE though...

My torp and covops skills are only just lvl 4 atm. Hoping once I double the dps with t2 launchers and a couple of implants (aiming for 600 dps) it will become really quick and easy.


Yep, i've ratted in Syndicate in a Nemesis as well. Did fine solo, you either keep running away from the frigs or just pop them when they mwd. I was fine solo and it got a lot better when a corpmate arrived to join me.

"Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Noisrevbus
#10 - 2012-09-18 13:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Lowsec, no. Nullsec, yes. Especially deep nullsec (areas like Fountain contain belts with 3x1.8m BS spawns). The "truesec" modifier (or "security level") is what control the value of NPC in an area. You can find that in the system information, obtain eg., from Dotlan. The lower negative value the better. Don't settle for a more shallow region with worse truesec (like the mentioned Syndicate in relation to Fountain, as spawns are anywhere from 1/3 to 1/9 as profitable).

As far as profit go belt-ratting (or ninja belt-ratting in our case) is no longer among the more valuable options, even in good truesec (it will not rival high-end missions and anomalies, WH or Incursions). It should however be slightly more profitable than your typical L4 mission in highsec, and several times more enjoyable as you get to see the world and spend less time just tanking-shooting NPC (it also have more fragmented time-commitment). How much you make obviously depend on traffic and player-generated obstacles, but assume 5m / belt on average in a good area and 5min / belt, so 60m / hour while you can probably see that both cut in half or doubled depending on circumstances (in all fairness, i haven't done it in years so it's just rough logic, but someone else may have done some proper calcs and can go into detail).

There are many ways to deal with Frigs and Cruisers, the most straight forward one would be to warp in at distance and snipe the smaller support first (in a couple of volleys), then go to work on the BS while using an AB and wide orbit. Depending a bit on where you choose to go, using distance may be a viable option for the BS as well. Then you just kite them at distance.
jimmyjam
Fire Mandrill
#11 - 2012-09-19 02:16:20 UTC
Kisogo Magellin wrote:
Bombers look like fun, and pretty cheap too- ~30m to buy/fit one

What I'm looking to do is rat in low/null security space. How effective would this be? I'll be doing this solo, most likely using a Nemesis or Manticore.

I rat in 0.0 with manti myself its perfectly fine for killing everything in belts and most of the anoms, i use a AB and TP with mine and just speed tank the shiZ, i hang back at about 50 km plus and orbit a central object and pick off everything and it works well and its cheap.
Tash'k Omar
Indefinite Mass
#12 - 2012-09-19 02:54:13 UTC
Yes it works. I'm in the process of recovering from -9.0 sec status using this method actually.

Quote:
[Nemesis, Sec Status]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN MicroWarpdrive I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Dread Guristas Thermic Dissipation Field
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Inferno Torpedo
Salvager I /OFFLINE
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I



Fits for me with the CA-1/CA-2 implant combo.

There are a couple methods for doing this. Speed tanking with the AB while aligned to a celestial works OK, but I've found that with my limited missile skills, I'm just about to kill the BS as I'm running out of shields (lol). So a trick I've found is to get within range of a BS, decloak - fire 2 volleys, cloak immediately. if you wait any longer the rats are likely to start targeting, but I've never yet been targeted after only 2 volleys. In theory this takes longer than just speedtanking, but in my experience, it actually saves time, as you never have to worry about warping off.