Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't understand your point. With Scorch and medium pulse laser the punisher can hit up to 11km for full damage. That said, I haven't had the time to try the new punisher so I don't know if the lack of the cap bonus is a problem or not. If it's not a problem, or a slight one, I hope we'll see more amarr ship not wasting a bonus on it.

Ok it's true that rails have worst results that beams, but beams are to hard to fit, and in many ships beams can't be fitted, amarr ships have cpu, cap and power grid problems , only some ships can fit beams and doing that they are paper ships and much worst that other long range ships that use artillery, because arty is much easier to fit and you can put a better tank or speed, and rails are easier to fit too.
ccp isn't interested in ultra long range and ultra long range warfare is over, so artillery that needs less that 150km ll be always better in bs because have more alpha , and can be used with tank and speed in many cases.

In frigates it is the same, a merlin with rails ll have a better fit that a punisher with beams, your weapons have worst tracking, but you should be able to use mwd easier to keep range, and if beams have more dps, np you can fit easier more ehp, so you ll win the battle becuse a ship with beams need a lot of cpu and power grid modules and a booster to shoot, so those weapons have no sense, beams are to hard to fit

And at short range i think that the new punisher is fine, because it has 2 med slots, so if you use speed and scramble you can't use a stasis, and pulses have worst tracking that other weapons, if amarr ships have worst tracking and are the slower ships they need more ehp and dps, because at short range worst tracking and less med solts = less dps, and then you need better stats to compensate it.

Everyone says that they don t need more dps because they have more range, but acs have a good range to, and all ships can be faster that an amarr ship, so "if" amarr ships didn't have a nice range, harass them should be to easy " It would be the same that shoot a pigeon that can't fly"
Actually the cap need of energy weapons is only a handicap, they continue to be the easier weapons to neutralize, and when your ship is fitted it and has worse damage than others, becuse blasters have more dps and many damage bonuses, and some minmatar ships have 2 dps bonuses, you can see that actualy it is true that they are useless in pvp here:

http://at.eve-ic.net/10/?view=statistics

The 1st day of the tournament (30 of june) only 6 amarr ships were used, and one of them with blasters, and 15 pirate ship were used, 53 ships were gallente, 51 minmatar ships, and 51 were caldari, so i think that they need better capacitor in the ship (or to reduce the need of cap for lasers) and more damage bonuses and not useless cap reduction as bonuses that only annoy many playes. " I do not like ships with the role of a stone, at at least i hope that they have a decent damage too, low dps = more time to neut your ship"

I don t think that many gallente playes would have been happy if to have an easier fit, one of its bonuses had been changed by 10% reduction in capacitor need for turrets because they had problems with neuts, instead of the 30% of cap reduction in blasters that ccp have done.

In my opinion CCP hates Amarr. Before the patch the Rifter was completely overpowered in comparison to the other T1 Frigates. With the patch they bosted Merlin and Incursus insanely but only Punisher got boosted... yeah they boosted it crappy.
Look at Amarr. The only usefull ships they have are T2 and battleships. Their battlecruisers are the worst of all races.... okay they have one usefull T1 cruiser (Arbitrator) but that was all.
Now they do the same with the attack frigates: I bet the executioner will be worst of all. Then look at Minmatar: Best T1 Frigate before the patch, best T1 cruiser (Rupture) one of the best battlecruisers (Hurricane) and the battleships seem also be good.
Lets better not talk about how op the vagabond is...
At the moment the balancing is totaly junk.
They made a good step with the last patch but Amarr are staying weak in this case. This character is also not training lasers but missilies and rockets to go the Inquisitor->vengeance->sacrilege way. Because the most Amarr laser boats are ready for dirtbag.

EDIT: Oh I forgot the Thrasher... the only one destroyer. In comparison to the other destroyers it seems to be a T3 version...
It is really obvious to ask why winmatar are called winmatar. Every race has a handicap in the balance (okay amarr has more than one): Gallente had crappy T1 Frigates before the patch, Caldari cruisers in PVP are a joke (I have flown caracal and Moa over two months), Amarr have several jokes (battlecruisers for example or even the "superonemidslotdestroyer") but minmatar are fine everywhere.

i hope he removes logi from t1 hulls and gets a move on in general drakes need nerfing now :) and i still dont get why he didny change the skills for destroyer and bc what does rebalancing them have to do with waiting to do them.

In a straight up brawl the coercer is actually a decent counter to the trasher, primarily because it's applying damage at an effective range sooner, and you can fit a much more effective tank (300dps @ 15km with 10k EHP). Going with a MWD instead of a point is an issue, but isn't the end of the world, since the dps is high enough that you can usually pop frigs and dessies as they align out.

Overall, the amarr T1 frig-bc line is kind of lackluster, except for the arbitrator, harbinger and oracle. Personally, I would like to see the navy omen get a boost so that it gains some of the versatility of the zealot, and an option to convert the prophecy and maller to HAM platforms. In general, if the ship doesn't get an optimal range bonus, a third midslot really would help to make these ships more viable since they generally are on the slow side.

Sure, you can't kite a Punisher in scram range, and if you tried you'd likely be hurting your DPS much more than the Punisher's (last Rifter v. Punisher I won, pre-buff, I won with Microwave S and T1 guns, after he decided to fight outside Multifrequency range...). You can kite it very easily in long point range, though: the Punisher doesn't have the +50% range bonus that make the Coercer, Slicer, Retribution what they are.

Anyway, you wouldn't want to kite a Punisher. Just fit ACs or blasters and orbit at 500. If you know you're facing a Punisher, you can even drop the web for a TD with a tracking script.



And Gallente have the second-best capacitor? While being far from capping themselves out in two minutes after pressing just F1? They need less recharge between neut cycles, and they have more midslots. Anyway, watch the first fight in this video.



Ha! Amarr have a cap-transfer boat, a bait boat, an oversized rookie ship (which is the best miner of the lot, although unbonused), and a cheap knock-off of the Vexor which is the only one ever recommended. They're terrible, just terrible. They're so terrible that Kil2's reaction to tiericide was to worry that making them not be terrible would remove some flavor from the game. Amarr's "basically poor" cruisers are not in the same class as Gallente or Minmatar 'poor' options.

I don't know how possible this is, considering that tracking disruption is the Amarr primary EWar, and neutralizers/vampires are secondary. Typically it's the T1 version that gets bonused for the primary EWar type, and it's not until T2 that you see both bonuses kick in.

Some design philosophy would have to change. It's doable, imo, but tough.

I have never flown a merlin but I have 2 months experience with the Kestrel. Yes it was probably exaggerated to say (write) that the new condor will have more firepower than the Kestrel but I have flown the Kestrel as Kiter (warp disruptor and stay put of range) and the condor will really outperform it now. Getting the Kestrel to 2mins cap and some speed and firepower is very tricky.
I really loved this ship.
Otherwise I think we will see a good boost for the Kestrel too.
Anyway the rebalancing will be very good, because things cannnot get worse in balancing now.
Otherwise I think that we should not forget something: Range can be the most important thing for an interceptor and one of the best T2 interceptors is the crow. And why? Because of Range and speed.

Anyway, you wouldn't want to be too close from a blaster or AC boat. If you know you're facing a blaster or AC boat, you can even drop a plate for an overdrive injector and kite them.

Everything have a counter. Fit an AB, and you should be fine to track anything.

At 50mil a pop where a single mistake will cost you your ship, cost is an issue.

I was thinking something more fleet oriented: a tanky neut boat, with drones.