EVE General Discussion

answer to OP's first posting:

for me there are no fixed numbers.
In general the following equation must be true:

In the average of round about two weeks the risk (possible loss) must be less or eqal to (possible) profit.

TL;DR :

As a casual player i have to minimize risk to a certain level.

Therefore it is depending from the situation where the decission has to me made; and it is depednign from the individual view of the situation.

I'll give just one example:

Assume we have two lvl 4 missions.
Both of them lead to low sec.
Mission one is an active, time consuming fighting job, a second one just a "get goods (5m²) from xxx".

First one will be declined by me, second will be done.

Why?

First one:

Possible loss of T2-Ship + loss of implants + big loss of agent standing due to failed mission = ~800 MIO ISK
Possible Gain of successfull mission: 3 Mio ISK (without loot) + little agent standing plus
--> Bad.

Second one:
Possible loss: Shuttle (usually to fast to get aimed fast enough) + big loss of agent standing due to failed mission
Possible gain: ~ 1,5 Mio ISK + standing
--> good.

That's just a simplified presentation. Of course there are more options to consider like for example "likelihood of catecamp", "possible help in the near", ... and so on.

She meant 68k EHP over the ganking power of your 2 Nagas, or something like that, I believe. [Not what she meant, turns out]

The total is 75k EHP vs Spike.

I'm Pipa, and we were discussing T1 Cruisers at the time you promised that "Most Cruisers have 80k EHP"

not only can you tank a hulk against gankers , hulks are supposed to be able to tank beltrats in nullsec and can do that well
It is the miner that made a mistake or is not paying attention ,that gets them killed
what alot of gank victims seems to do wrong is that they
,A afk mine ,
B never paying attention to local
C mine near busy hubs or major trade routes
D their overview is cluttered with asteroids and didn't even see the suicide gankers warp in( common rookie mistake)
E Pretty sure there some other mistakes a miner can do to get himself killed

just a question of minimizing the risk factor
you can always avoid the opportunity suicide ganker but it is pretty hard avoiding a dedicated small gang if they are out to get you

I currently keep one character for making isk and other for PVP in FW. In all my years in eve I always frowned upon risk on any isk makign activities, but still would still embrace PVP directly.


But even on isk making you must get to face some risk. BE it undocking in an expensive marauder tha t can be ganked for those 2-3 faction modules, be in incursions by joining a fleet that you have no idea if the guardians will repair you or troll you.

At the end for me the risk avoidance happens on both PVE and PVP activities and its mostly limited by the line: Is it clearly dumb or lerooyish what I am about to try?


That makes the limits very fluid and ever changing. Sometimes a PVP action with my Firetail is well within reasonable limits and I shall go for it. Sometimes its plain stupid, like attacking a loki guarded by a rapier and an arazu :P... unless of course I have help from friends Sometimes the PVE activity is worht it, like running some sites in low sec with my HAC that can bug out pretty fast if needed, but I will not for example run the same site with a bhalghorn with full faction fit, unless of course I have lots of help from friends.


Most of the very risk averse pilots are usually solo people and still could not grasp how security increases exponentially when you have friends.

If Hulk has over 100k EHP for 20 seconds with logistics support.
Most cruisers are quite close to that with logistics support.

…but that wasn't what you claimed, so no. We're still waiting for those cruisers.

…which wasn't when you made the 80k EHP cruiser claim.

And now you think RR is EHP...

RR is occasionally measured in EHP, just like a ship's local buffer. What you made a claim about was that buffer.

So no, the cruiser with logistics support (which you also haven't provided) doesn't qualify as the promised 80k EHP ship. Are you going to provide any, or just admit that you're wrong about that as well, just as with everything else you've ever said?

No. Those are just some names with numbers after them (the names are also wrong, by the way).

…of course, seeing as how they will all be as silly as the old ones you posted, they're not really going to prove the point you're failing to make, so why not just give up and say that you “adjusted” reality a bit, hmm?