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metagaming CCP clarification
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Palolko Dwimer
CHON
THE R0NIN
#1 - 2012-07-01 23:27:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Palolko Dwimer
Hi,
i am bit uncertain about meta-gaming.

Example 1:
Team XYZ is unable to score any more points during the match. If i ll offer them ransom (points for ISK), is it considered against rules or is it considered within the standard meta-gaming rules ?, and therefore allowed. I have no connection with the team, no A, or B or C team, just a pure business.

Example 2:
Pre arranged matches: Team XYZ has no chance to advance, but they are willing to 'sell' their match for ISK. If we do that, and its quite obvious, is it considered to be a violation of ATX rules in any way?

Thanks for answer.
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-01 23:32:51 UTC
No matter what the ruling is, please don't make me cast people conga'ing for 10 minutes.
Corine Noas
Galaxy in danger proj.
#3 - 2012-07-01 23:41:56 UTC
michael boltonIII wrote:
No matter what the ruling is, please don't make me cast people conga'ing for 10 minutes.

You can resign from casting at all and do us all a favor Roll
Snake O'Connor
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-07-02 00:21:17 UTC
michael boltonIII wrote:
please don't make me cast

FYP

End yourself.
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-07-02 00:24:01 UTC
That feel
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
#6 - 2012-07-02 09:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Stensson
*snip* (because this post refuses to go away) — ISD Stensson
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#7 - 2012-07-02 09:31:49 UTC
Pahah Pahineh wrote:
Are you Hydra Alliance?
No.

Therefore whatever you do is fine.


Intigo alt spotted.

In the past ransoming/buying ships has not as far as I can tell been against the rules, but it coud have changed.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#8 - 2012-07-02 10:16:32 UTC
Pahah ... I think there's still a thread in this subforum you've not drooled your conspiracy **** all over, you'd better go do it fast!

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-02 10:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Well, the rules stipulated that any form of arranged combat will result in forfeiture from the tourney. Also the refs for the fight have the right to call a match over if it seemed such. I am pretty sure that the conga line while funny for 30 seconds, would be called to a quit just to spare the audience and the stream from the viewer losses.

Sides, if they really wanted to be eve, they would require isk first, and blow them up anyways. Just no accidental smartbomb podding.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
#10 - 2012-07-02 10:58:29 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Well, the rules stipulated that any form of arranged combat will result in forfeiture from the tourney. Also the refs for the fight have the right to call a match over if it seemed such. I am pretty sure that the conga line while funny for 30 seconds, would be called to a quit just to spare the audience and the stream from the viewer losses.

Sides, if they really wanted to be eve, they would require isk first, and blow them up anyways. Just no accidental smartbomb podding.


For the rule you speak of to be enacted, a fight has to take place. Since no fight was taking place, that rule does not apply.

But it's ok, you're not supposed to understand, the rules aren't supposed to be taken seriously or literally. Soundwave and Sreegs already admitted the rules were there for a purpose, regardless of the actions taken the rules, written or unwritten, were going to be used against them and that was predetermined long ago.

But it's ok. That's what the customers want. It's just good business on their part and all it costs is a little self respect, a commodity of little value these days.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#11 - 2012-07-02 13:39:01 UTC
Pahah Pahineh wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Well, the rules stipulated that any form of arranged combat will result in forfeiture from the tourney. Also the refs for the fight have the right to call a match over if it seemed such. I am pretty sure that the conga line while funny for 30 seconds, would be called to a quit just to spare the audience and the stream from the viewer losses.

Sides, if they really wanted to be eve, they would require isk first, and blow them up anyways. Just no accidental smartbomb podding.
For the rule you speak of to be enacted, a fight has to take place.

Luckily for us you're not the person who either wrote or interpreted the rules.

Seeing as the rule specifically referred to practicing together I have no idea why you think an actual tournament match needed to take place for it to apply.

But then, I am answering a really bad troll so I'm really just wasting my time.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#12 - 2012-07-02 14:46:31 UTC
michael boltonIII wrote:
That feel


I for one think your mustache has done a great job commentating.
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
#13 - 2012-07-02 14:49:14 UTC
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Pahah Pahineh wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Well, the rules stipulated that any form of arranged combat will result in forfeiture from the tourney. Also the refs for the fight have the right to call a match over if it seemed such. I am pretty sure that the conga line while funny for 30 seconds, would be called to a quit just to spare the audience and the stream from the viewer losses.

Sides, if they really wanted to be eve, they would require isk first, and blow them up anyways. Just no accidental smartbomb podding.
For the rule you speak of to be enacted, a fight has to take place.

Luckily for us you're not the person who either wrote or interpreted the rules.

Seeing as the rule specifically referred to practicing together I have no idea why you think an actual tournament match needed to take place for it to apply.

But then, I am answering a really bad troll so I'm really just wasting my time.


At least now we know you haven't even read the rules.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#14 - 2012-07-02 16:57:22 UTC
Wow there's a lot of dumb in this thread.

To OP; Pretty sure neither of your examples is allowed.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#15 - 2012-07-02 19:06:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Pahah Pahineh wrote:
At least now we know you haven't even read the rules.

I did, you didn't.
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team

That's using the future tense when referring to the tournament.
Quote:
To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be ‘B’ or ‘C’ teams for bigger Alliances

Specifically states that the *entry* will be reviewed, not the team whilst performing.

But hey, that drum ain't beating itself buddy!

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#16 - 2012-07-02 19:12:47 UTC
michael boltonIII wrote:
That feel


Dont worry bolton I think you're pretty damn funny, the rest of these asshats wouldn't be able to cast on a bowel movement

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
#17 - 2012-07-02 19:59:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Pahah Pahineh
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Pahah Pahineh wrote:
At least now we know you haven't even read the rules.

I did, you didn't.
Quote:
We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team

That's using the future tense when referring to the tournament.
Quote:
To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be ‘B’ or ‘C’ teams for bigger Alliances

Specifically states that the *entry* will be reviewed, not the team whilst performing.

But hey, that drum ain't beating itself buddy!


Oh.

I didn't know you'd bought Sreeg's lie hook, line and sinker.
Yeah, you see, Hydra and Outbreak weren't guilty of AB or C teaming. They were sparring partners, Sreegs however had to make up a new rule to get both teams banned, the clue is right there, AB teaming gets B team banned (ala Pandemic Legion), hence the rule you quote being relevant, because there is no rule regarding two A teams sparring with each other.

Sorry, yeah, to the untrained eye, I can see why you might think the rules are relevant, it's just that, well, they're not. Well, obviously they are, it's just the rules that were never written down that are the relevant ones.

Fortunately for you, the drum beats itself, and if the pace slows, Soundwave or Sreegs shows up to get it back up to tempo.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#18 - 2012-07-02 21:31:03 UTC
you're really dumb, hth
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#19 - 2012-07-03 00:17:38 UTC
Pahah Pahineh wrote:
Oh.

I didn't know you'd bought Sreeg's lie hook, line and sinker.
Yeah, you see, Hydra and Outbreak weren't guilty of AB or C teaming. They were sparring partners, Sreegs however had to make up a new rule to get both teams banned, the clue is right there, AB teaming gets B team banned (ala Pandemic Legion), hence the rule you quote being relevant, because there is no rule regarding two A teams sparring with each other.

Sorry, yeah, to the untrained eye, I can see why you might think the rules are relevant, it's just that, well, they're not. Well, obviously they are, it's just the rules that were never written down that are the relevant ones.

Fortunately for you, the drum beats itself, and if the pace slows, Soundwave or Sreegs shows up to get it back up to tempo.

Try this experiment.

a) Tell me why they were practicing in a wormhole.

b) Now tell me why that doesn't apply to one corp of 63, but does apply to all the rest.

As soon as you realise the answers to both, you'll know why they were banned.

"No, honestly CCP, we ARE going to compete FULLY with the other guy, but it's totally OK they see every setup! What? Oh, no the other's can't see it, that would ruin our chances, so we've gone to the massive effort of hiding in a WH on sisi"

So yeah, you're really missing any logic to your OMG CCP ARE DEVSWARM nonsense. At least the highsec miners have *something* to their story.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#20 - 2012-07-03 00:40:01 UTC
You should all join the same corp on Sisi to practice together about it and then troll yourself bald on the forums about it while you sperge about being too dumb to follow rules clearly laid out to prevent you from sh*tting on the tournament final like you did last time around. Big smile It makes for amusing reading and plenty of schadenfreude, which are two of my favorite things about EVE.
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