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The turning point of EVE, five years ago.

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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#21 - 2012-07-02 03:39:42 UTC
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Luis Graca
#22 - 2012-07-02 03:41:42 UTC
Can you put that in a video since i'm to lazy to read all that?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#23 - 2012-07-02 03:45:19 UTC
Zastrow wrote:
I don't know that I'll ever be involved in anything as truly epic as The Great EVE war in any game, ever. Man those were golden days. On one hand EVE mechanics were so much worse than they are now, but the posting, the propaganda, the diplomacy, the shadow wars and spying... There were no holds barred and it was glorious. As Goonswarm's logistics director at the time I would stay up all night long anchoring POS, I would log in during lectures in class to time stront, I did all of these ridiculous things without question and with no regrets. I wish there could ever be a space conflict so grand again, but I don't know that we'll ever see one.

You don't think SoCo, with so many people having answered the batphones, is able to live up to their goals of beating up the Honeybadger Coalition and the CFC then taking over Fountain?

What is this...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#24 - 2012-07-02 04:15:28 UTC
Great reporting... this is the way these things should be done. PC Gamer should fire their staff and hire this guy.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Nazowa
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-07-02 07:27:22 UTC
Very nice writing.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#26 - 2012-07-02 07:36:31 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
Prior to taking over as CEO of my old corporation, we had been part of the ASCN and truly felt the sting of those events. And lets not mention how we were the first ones to lose a Titan in Eve... To Bob no less. Back then, a titan loss was big news since you could count the total number of titans in eve on one hand.

We had extremely bad luck with nullsec alliances.... We loaded up our freighters and flew the 40+ jumps with an escort fleet to get our assets out. It would have been nice if jump freighters and jump bridges existed back then. I think warp to 0 was implemented not long before that. I do remember it made the trek easier.

Then again we could have been using the bookmark workaround still, lagging to hell each time we opened our 10 thousand + bookmark people and places folder.

Did I mention we had bad luck will nul sec alliances? We ended up in knights ofthe southern cross after that. Which you can remember met nearly the same fate as the ASCN.

Though, from the moment that I realized the alliance ticker was KOS, I knew it would end badly.
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-02 07:41:08 UTC
Zastrow wrote:
I don't know that I'll ever be involved in anything as truly epic as The Great EVE war in any game, ever. Man those were golden days. On one hand EVE mechanics were so much worse than they are now, but the posting, the propaganda, the diplomacy, the shadow wars and spying... There were no holds barred and it was glorious. As Goonswarm's logistics director at the time I would stay up all night long anchoring POS, I would log in during lectures in class to time stront, I did all of these ridiculous things without question and with no regrets. I wish there could ever be a space conflict so grand again, but I don't know that we'll ever see one.
id speculate that the current war has more potential.

CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.

Exciting times

Pog mo thoin

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-07-02 07:41:45 UTC
It is important to note that history is written by the victors.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2012-07-02 07:46:46 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
It is important to note that history is written by the victors.
…which is deeply unfair to the Oscars and Antons.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-07-02 07:47:18 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
id speculate that the current war has more potential.

CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.

Exciting times


I'd speculate that Goons have the stick-ability to handle a protracted campaign on the other side of the universe. The issue to contend with will be the upcoming tech nerf.

I'm tempted to speculate that controlling Delve is more about moon income diversity than goons are willing to say, but such speculation would be futile.
pussnheels
Viziam
#31 - 2012-07-02 07:52:33 UTC
a good piece of reading tho pretty onesided , still very interesting for anyplayer younger than 5 years

Empires come and go like the tide

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-07-02 08:05:31 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
id speculate that the current war has more potential.

CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.

Exciting times


I'd speculate that Goons have the stick-ability to handle a protracted campaign on the other side of the universe. The issue to contend with will be the upcoming tech nerf.

I'm tempted to speculate that controlling Delve is more about moon income diversity than goons are willing to say, but such speculation would be futile.
there is also IRC. If they get their heads out of their holes. Raiden are butt hurt. The list goes on.

I would not say it's an anti goon/cfc thing but 0.0 is dead and a circular war spanning the universe would be epic

Pog mo thoin

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#33 - 2012-07-02 08:13:09 UTC
That.
Was.
Amazing.

The Drake is a Lie
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-07-02 08:32:10 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
It is important to note that history is written by the victors.


... and that it repeats itself.
Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-07-02 08:49:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost Xray
I was there.

My memory is hazy on this, but I can remember when MC rolled into the IRON systems (I was part of a meat shield alliance living in their systems - VFK-IV in fact) and we got crushed while IRON barely sent any help. Not cool IRON, not cool.

Ninja edit: It was actually an IRON station.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#36 - 2012-07-02 08:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Thorn Galen
What an excellent read about a truly awe-inspiring sequence of events. How can one not appreciate the planning, the sadness, the anger and frustrations which must have been rife for years ? I have actually filed your post in my Eve History folder, James, for I do not often have the pleasure of reading such a well-written account of a war which raged on many fronts, over several years. For a game. The politics and the organisation involved must have been monumental.

Astonishing. A must-keep article.

Thank you Sir, your article inspired me and set the theatre of my mind through a vast galactic journey of war, fear, courage, rage, vengeance and unity.

*Salutes*

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-07-02 09:19:40 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
id speculate that the current war has more potential.

CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.

Exciting times

Personally I'd be highly surprised if it lasts more than a month or two, simply because one side'll get rolled a few times, parts of it will find other games to play, and the entire soco'll collapse and retreat to NPC stain. I'd love for it to be the one war I'm involved in which lasts more than a few weeks of active conflict before the pure structure grind sets in.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Akiyo XI
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-07-02 09:22:56 UTC
intriguing.....

A nice bit of EVE history that deserves a sci-fi film adaptation

"the wise speak only of what they know"
Anna Djan
Banana Corp
#39 - 2012-07-02 09:54:39 UTC
"Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it".

Goons = The new BoB.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#40 - 2012-07-02 10:06:14 UTC
Epic read! thanks.